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Title: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 25, 2007, 09:08:45 AM Information from the FC list...
A petition been raised to have Ashley Hutchings made a Knight.. "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to recommend the Queen to award a knighthood (or whatever alternative honour she may deem appropriate) to Ashley Hutchings for his outstanding contribution to the preservation of and education about English folk music and dance, itstraditions and heritage." Sign up at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/AshleyHutchings/ Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: johanna/ulla on January 25, 2007, 09:14:28 AM Oh, I canīt sign in, because I am not a British citizen :'( :-[
But I spend a lot of time in England. Do you think that will count? Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 25, 2007, 09:16:24 AM No.
Only local people can vote for knighthoods. Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 25, 2007, 09:25:00 AM You could still write to No 10 though Ulla and add your opinion.
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Goaty on January 25, 2007, 09:25:16 AM I see Patrick Spens has signed ;D ::)
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: fat Billy(Bill) on January 25, 2007, 09:34:25 AM so have I
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 25, 2007, 09:44:46 AM I see Patrick Spens has signed ;D ::) And Bill Gower ;) Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Big Dave on January 25, 2007, 10:40:39 AM Mine added
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Jim G on January 25, 2007, 11:11:51 AM I have done my bit - I think he deserves it just for Morris On let alone all the other stuff.
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Stationary M25 Traveller on January 25, 2007, 11:32:15 AM Ditto - signature added
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 25, 2007, 11:45:12 AM The knighthood is 3 times higher than the humble MBE.
So what has Ashley done that entitles him to an honour 3 times 'highr' than Martin Carthy MBE? Eh? Because that is what the honours Committee will want to know....assuming someone with some clout in this field has sponsored said nomination. As it stands, it has zilch chance, and may even count against him, if someone with clout subsequently puts in a sensible MBE nomination in the near future. No, Ashley would be embarrassed by a knighthood nomination - get Martin to sponsor an MBE nomination & likely as not, he'll get it. This'll just get laughed out of No. 10. Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: davidmjs on January 25, 2007, 11:54:07 AM The knighthood is 3 times higher than the humble MBE. So what has Ashley done that entitles him to an honour 3 times 'highr' than Martin Carthy MBE? Eh? Because that is what the honours Committee will want to know....assuming someone with some clout in this field has sponsored said nomination. As it stands, it has zilch chance, and may even count against him, if someone with clout subsequently puts in a sensible MBE nomination in the near future. No, Ashley would be embarrassed by a knighthood nomination - get Martin to sponsor an MBE nomination & likely as not, he'll get it. This'll just get laughed out of No. 10. No it won't...it will be ignored. Just like all the other 'online petitions'... At least if someone turns up at your door with a few boxes of names someone has to let you in..this way they don't even have to do that! I'd agree that Martin should be knighted and Norma given a Damehood first...but in a country where a few years in the Foreign Office earns you an OBE then I'm sure they ought to be able to find something for Ashley. And the rest of the band. Lord Swarbrick anybody? ;) Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 25, 2007, 11:55:32 AM Loads of debate on this subject on The List..
We can vote if we wish to and believe AH deserves some recognition.. Or not vote if we don't... S'up to each of us.. (And YES for SWARB too!!) Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Dr Clive on January 25, 2007, 11:57:21 AM Isn't the level covered by the weasel words "or whatever alternative honour she may deem appropriate"? I assume that this is some sort of official suggested wording.
Anywhoo, I've signed, too. DC Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 25, 2007, 12:03:55 PM Isn't the level covered by the weasel words "or whatever alternative honour she may deem appropriate"? Oh, indeed it is. But as davidmjs agrees, it will just be completely ignored. THe only way for someone (any British Citizen) to be honoured is for them to be nominated via the form on the Cabinet website. We went through this when some McTellites thought Ralph was due one. This petition won't even get seen by the honours scrutiny committee and is therefore fairly useless. It needs someone ackowledged within the folk world to be a primary sponsor of a nomination for him, and willing to take time out to support it in interview with said Committee. We can then all sign as secondary sponsors......and I reckon he'd get it. But this? Nah, sorry - it'll just embarrass Ashley. Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 25, 2007, 12:17:01 PM [ But this? Nah, sorry - it'll just embarrass Ashley. I think Ashley himself should be the judge of that. Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 25, 2007, 12:21:29 PM Why?.....opinions are valid here. Every one.
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 25, 2007, 12:37:47 PM I'd accept a knighthood and I wouldn't be embarrassed at all.
In fact, I think I'll start a petition... Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Adam on January 25, 2007, 12:38:22 PM Mind you, they give ac-tors knighthoods for a lifetime of 'let's pretend' ;)
Adam Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 25, 2007, 12:47:10 PM It's all pretend, Adam. Life is just a game.
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 25, 2007, 12:56:01 PM Mind you, they give ac-tors knighthoods for a lifetime of 'let's pretend' ;) They do indeed, but not straight away - they work up from MBE / OBE, through CBE and then, if they're still treading the boards when they ought to have their feet up, a knighthood. Which was one of my points. Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Barry on January 25, 2007, 01:06:07 PM You can still vote for his a a "Good Egg Folkie", though ...... ;)
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 25, 2007, 01:08:20 PM Good folk egg or a knighthood? Hmmm....
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Jim on January 25, 2007, 01:10:19 PM wow i,m one down from a certain judith de la bedoyere
not that i normally agree with this class of thing mind you "hero of the republic" would be more up my street Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Barry on January 25, 2007, 01:15:42 PM Isn't that awarded posthumously, Jim? :o ::)
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Jim on January 25, 2007, 01:18:46 PM not in the dishonourable republic of campbelldonia
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Nick Reg on January 25, 2007, 01:47:43 PM Who wants these honours anyway ? Lennon sent his back!
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Tasha on January 25, 2007, 01:49:35 PM Who wants these honours anyway ? Lennon sent his back! Interesting piece here about people who have refused honours ;D http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3338583.stm Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: davidmjs on January 25, 2007, 01:51:08 PM Who wants these honours anyway ? Lennon sent his back! Interesting piece here about people who have refused honours ;D http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3338583.stm If truth be told I think I'm with J.G. Ballard: "Thousands of medals are given out in the name of a non-existent empire - it makes us look a laughing stock and encourages deference to the crown " Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 25, 2007, 03:24:35 PM These folks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3338583.stm) didn't want one!
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: davidmjs on January 25, 2007, 03:29:27 PM These folks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3338583.stm) didn't want one! Keep up Chris! Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: mikec on January 25, 2007, 03:32:56 PM Tasha's already posted that link Chris.
Interestingly 1 in 5 of the refusniks accepted a gong later according to that report. Lenny Henry alledgedly didn't want one from John Major but accepted one from Tony Blair. Hmmm Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Simon Care on January 25, 2007, 05:55:28 PM Chris Bates said "They do indeed, but not straight away - they work up from MBE / OBE, through CBE and then, if they're still treading the boards when they ought to have their feet up, a knighthood. Which was one of my points."
Sorry to disagree with you Chris, but as someone whose father is an MBE, the above is a complete load of tosh. The orders are given in relation to the person and their achievements. They are not "sponsored", as you put it, by other people who have honours. They rely on nominations from anybody who wishes to do so. The nominations are helped if they are supported by various associates of the nominee, be they personal, professional or otherwise. As you will see, i have signed the petition. I do not believe that Ashley would be at all embarrassed by this. I think he would actually be quite touched by the sentiment. If people do want to sponsor an award for Ashley then you do also need to make representations to the relevant government departments. Yours Simon Care Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Anji on January 25, 2007, 06:06:19 PM Chris Bates said "They do indeed, but not straight away - they work up from MBE / OBE, through CBE and then, if they're still treading the boards when they ought to have their feet up, a knighthood. Which was one of my points." Sorry to disagree with you Chris, but as someone whose father is an MBE, the above is a complete load of tosh. Yours Simon Care "complete load of tosh" ! Whatever is this Board coming to, when such inflammatory language is used, and such a stance taken, even by someone whose father is an MBE ::)Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Simon Care on January 25, 2007, 06:08:12 PM lol
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Stationary M25 Traveller on January 25, 2007, 10:53:43 PM It does have the backing of an esteemed historical mariner ;)
Wonder what his address was ? c/o Aberdeen Harbour ? Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Neil Morrell on January 26, 2007, 12:24:03 AM Didn't Michael Winner make a remark something like "That's what they give to people who clean the toilets at Kings Cross" then said he was holding out for the knighthood.
Mind you, although he may never get another chance of an MBE, but he'll always be an AR*E. Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 26, 2007, 10:37:54 AM I see Patrick Spens has signed ;D ::) And Bill Gower ;) And Lord Darnell, Lord Marlborough, the Knights of the Road, Sir B. MacKenzie, the Scots Lords etc etc. . . Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Stationary M25 Traveller on January 26, 2007, 12:20:01 PM Does anyone have an e.mail address for one Matthew Groves ?
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 26, 2007, 12:54:07 PM Does anyone have an e.mail address for one Matthew Groves ? When was he knighted then? Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Anji on January 26, 2007, 12:58:47 PM Does anyone have an e.mail address for one Matthew Groves ? When was he knighted then? Only with his pals again. Friends Reuknighted ::) Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Keith on January 26, 2007, 05:19:26 PM Did any of the longer serving members notice a "James P Denny" on the list. Otts is reading the board!
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 26, 2007, 05:26:05 PM Ugh!
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Bob Barrows on January 26, 2007, 05:33:53 PM OK, who is Otts? And why is Cocker reacting like that?
??? Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 26, 2007, 05:43:28 PM I've noticed Otts lurking for a few days now...
Come back Otts... Bob, Otts was a very regular TAWer here until a couple of years ago... Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 26, 2007, 06:35:52 PM I think Otts got himself banned.....
I sit corrected, Simon - thanks! I was reliably informed that the primary signature on the nomination carried a lot more weight if he / she was a senior figure in the nominees field..... Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Stationary M25 Traveller on January 26, 2007, 10:35:22 PM Does anyone have an e.mail address for one Matthew Groves ? When was he knighted then? No - just thought he might sign the petition, along with Patrick Spens Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: ollythedolly on January 28, 2007, 09:18:31 AM I will sign anything if i think it will be funny..... :P
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Paul on January 28, 2007, 03:34:02 PM I will sign anything if i think it will be funny..... :P Can you send me some cheques please. ;D I would have thought MBE or OBE is more likely for Ashley than a Knighthood. How many other folk artists are knighted so far? Paul Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Jim on January 28, 2007, 07:07:54 PM Sir Patrick Spens?
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Paul on January 28, 2007, 10:29:51 PM Sir Patrick Spens? Didn't he get knighted for Paul Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: PaulT on January 29, 2007, 09:02:58 AM Shirley Collins received an MBE/OBE in the New Year's Honours List.
I feel both Ashley and Swarb deserve some recognition. Whether they regard a "gong" as suitable is up to them... Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Chris on January 29, 2007, 09:15:14 AM She got an MBE - as did Archie Fisher.
Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 29, 2007, 10:15:54 AM The latest signatory...
G.R. Esford Di Saster Some people are just taking the piss :( Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Hester on February 19, 2007, 04:57:20 PM If you had enough money, you could buy Ashley a Lordship.
After all, Canuck media baron Conrad Black bought himself one. Renounced his Canadian citizenship and all, to become Lord Black of Cross http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/black_conrad/ 'Course, now that he's been indicted in the U.S. for embezzlement, he's whining for his Canadian citizenship back. And I expect ol' Liz'll have to rescind the honour if he's convicted. Cheers, Hester P.S. Was Otts the guy who said cheese too much? Title: Re: Make the Guvnor a knight Post by: Pat Helms on February 19, 2007, 05:28:15 PM With a little bit of time and effort, on his part, I could have Ashley knighted as a Templar at the local masonic hall in Bulls Gap, Tennessee, within about 4-6 weeks, providing he pays his fees on time!
Let me know if this is a direction we should pursue. Affectionately, Sir Wiley of the Gap |