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Title: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jules Gray on April 19, 2007, 10:24:11 AM I think I can usually tell who is singing what with the Fairports, but on some of the 70s stuff it occured to me that I may be mistaking Simon's vocals for Peggy's and vice versa. So just to clear things up...
Is it Simon who sings verse 2 of Journeyman's Grace on Angel Delight? Is it Peggy who sings with Swarb on Sailors Alphabet, Dream Song and Hanging Song from 'Babbacombe' Lee? And who sings lead on The Eynsham Poacher on Bonny Bunch Of Roses? Simon, or Peggy? I was thinking it was Simon, but the track was arranged by Peggy, so maybe I'm wrong here. Jules Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jim on April 19, 2007, 11:44:17 AM verse 2 of journeyman = Simon
sailors alphabet = Peggy dream song = Peggy hanging song = Peggy eynsham poacher = Simon hope this helps Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jules Gray on April 19, 2007, 11:56:13 AM Great! Thanks very much. That was what I thought, but I was having doubts.
Simon and Peggy both have that nasal quality going on. But you'd think I could tell a Brummie from a Londoner! Jules Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ollie on April 19, 2007, 04:42:13 PM I have a 1971 live version of Sloth (off the Airing Cupboard Tapes and Across the Decades). Who sings the high bits?
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jim on April 19, 2007, 10:01:53 PM its got to be Simon because you can clearly hear Peggy doing the lower register stuff
if you listen to the stuff from pre 85 esp some of the boots, Simon sounds almost on helium compared to todays venerable basso profundo Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Dr Monk on April 20, 2007, 09:56:24 PM I'm always struck by that t0o - it sounds like he changed his technique- singing much more from his chest and opening up his airways, but I suppose it could be just his voice maturing. perhaps we should ask him.
I read a history of the band somewhere (I'm sure someone will fill me in) saying something like his voice sounding like it had been matured in an oak cask when the band came back in 85 - thought it quite a nice description. Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ollie on April 20, 2007, 10:00:11 PM I think on the new version of Polly on the Shore, simon really sounds like trevor
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Angela on April 20, 2007, 11:05:28 PM I think on the new version of Polly on the Shore, simon really sounds like trevor Oh nooooo he doesn't, he sounds like Simon with a rich velvet, liquid chocolate voice :) Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 20, 2007, 11:42:38 PM D'ya know this has been bothering me for some time, especially since I've discovered Babbacombe Lee (easily my fave FC offering at the mo, but I suspect this will change in the future!) Expletive Delighted website states Simon was in the band when it was released, but I can't work out his vocals at all, and the YouTube video shows another guy altogether (as well as Peggy with lots of hair).
I'd like to see Peggy do more vocals, and by this I mean lead, not backing. Does anyone know why he doesn't do any these days? Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Angela on April 20, 2007, 11:57:52 PM If thats the Hanging Song video, I think its Roger Hill.
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jim on April 21, 2007, 09:26:20 AM im not convinced that they wernt miming on that video
yes i iknow it was togwt, but i suspect a quick fix Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ollie on April 21, 2007, 11:14:53 AM im not convinced that they wernt miming on that video yes i iknow it was togwt, but i suspect a quick fix They were miming. In the booklet for the A Lasting Spirit Collection, there is a picture of a newspaper article from 1972, talking about Roger Hill and his first public performance with the band, miming some of JBL on the Old Grey Whistle Test Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jules Gray on April 21, 2007, 08:09:01 PM D'ya know this has been bothering me for some time, especially since I've discovered Babbacombe Lee (easily my fave FC offering at the mo, but I suspect this will change in the future!) Expletive Delighted website states Simon was in the band when it was released, but I can't work out his vocals at all, and the YouTube video shows another guy altogether (as well as Peggy with lots of hair). It's his replacement Roger Hill on the YouTube clip. Simon sings Breakfast In Mayfair on the album. And also the I Was 16/John My Son section...I think. Jules Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 22, 2007, 05:14:44 PM Thanks for the info, I may just have to listen to it again now! ;D
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Dr Monk on April 23, 2007, 03:51:52 PM im not convinced that they wernt miming on that video yes i iknow it was togwt, but i suspect a quick fix They were miming. In the booklet for the A Lasting Spirit Collection, there is a picture of a newspaper article from 1972, talking about Roger Hill and his first public performance with the band, miming some of JBL on the Old Grey Whistle Test And if you are still in any doubt - check DM's tee shirt on the Whistle Test clip during the close-up of him. Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 23, 2007, 07:37:51 PM Well I've watched in and watched it (Oh, I'm a martyr to my cause!) and I know all the evidence points to them miming, but I'm not totally convinced. They did a blinkin' good job at it!
Anyway it doesn't matter. It's a great bit of vintage footage, if only for Peggy's beard ;D Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ollie on April 23, 2007, 08:12:34 PM Roger hill clearly has an acoustic to start with, but about 1 nano second after he has finished, the electric comes in. by heck he can change a guitar quickly ;)
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 23, 2007, 08:40:14 PM Yes, and there's instruments you never see (like a mando) cymbals being bashed when DM is nowhere near them. I concede. It's fun to watch tho!
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bob Barrows on April 23, 2007, 08:53:45 PM How are you watching it? I just tried the link and got a message that it's been removed due to copyright violation.
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ollie on April 23, 2007, 08:55:23 PM Search Fairport Convention in YouTube and it'll be there somewhere, near the bottom of page 1
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 23, 2007, 09:10:27 PM How are you watching it? I just tried the link and got a message that it's been removed due to copyright violation. I'm watching it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzBRrXCNkUU right now, actually! ;D Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bob Barrows on April 23, 2007, 09:11:30 PM I got it thanks.
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on April 23, 2007, 11:55:39 PM Well I've watched in and watched it (Oh, I'm a martyr to my cause!) and I know all the evidence points to them miming, but I'm not totally convinced. They did a blinkin' good job at it! Anyway it doesn't matter. It's a great bit of vintage footage, if only for Peggy's beard ;D That's Peggy? On the left, with all that dark bushy hair and big hairy beard? :o Ooh! I want to complain about YouTube - nothing ever plays straight off - this clip stopped at 2mins56 and refused to budge past that point! So much for blinking Broadband! Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: davidmjs on April 24, 2007, 06:24:33 AM Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 24, 2007, 12:23:57 PM yes - little hairy beards, bumfluff (as in the kind 14 year olds grow), 5 o'clock shadows, plus these (http://www.beardshampoo.com/BeardTypes1.html) (hope the link works) Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Anna on April 24, 2007, 02:16:59 PM I'm not going to ask where you found that website Bridgwit - great fun! Didn't know they all had names!
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Anji on April 24, 2007, 02:27:29 PM I'm not going to ask where you found that website Bridgwit - great fun! Didn't know they all had names! That's wonderful ;D :D Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on April 24, 2007, 07:11:20 PM Brilliant, Brij! You do find the most outrageous websites!
I liked the doorknocker, closely followed by the chin curtain ... ... but as I've said before, I do like a neatly trimmed beard! Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 24, 2007, 07:21:24 PM Brilliant, Brij! You do find the most outrageous websites! I liked the doorknocker, closely followed by the chin curtain ... ... but as I've said before, I do like a neatly trimmed beard! Hmmm. I'm currently leaning towards the short boxed on page 2 .... ;) Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on April 24, 2007, 07:23:03 PM (Hairy) topic drift ;D ::)
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Ollie on April 24, 2007, 07:26:39 PM You could always change the topic to Simon and Peggy - confusing their beards
Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on April 24, 2007, 07:29:38 PM No we couldn't! >:(
Anyway, back OT. I have never confused them. Never ever, ever. So there. 8) Seriously, Simon's voice has developed so much over the years - and with respect to Peggy - his voice was rarely in the forefront and not really his strongest suit, as it were :P I find it hard to understand how anyone could ever confuse them. But maybe I am not listening to the most appropriate Fairport tracks. ::) Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Jules Gray on April 25, 2007, 09:15:50 AM I find it hard to understand how anyone could ever confuse them. But maybe I am not listening to the most appropriate Fairport tracks. ::) I think that's it - if you listen to the 1971 band or the 1977-9 band, then it sometimes becomes quite difficult to tell. Back then Simon sang in the same pitch as peggy and both had that nasal thing going on. Listen to I Was 16/John My Son from 'Babbacombe' Lee and you might see what I mean. Jules Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on April 25, 2007, 01:02:58 PM I find it hard to understand how anyone could ever confuse them. But maybe I am not listening to the most appropriate Fairport tracks. ::) I think that's it - if you listen to the 1971 band or the 1977-9 band, then it sometimes becomes quite difficult to tell. Back then Simon sang in the same pitch as peggy and both had that nasal thing going on. Listen to I Was 16/John My Son from 'Babbacombe' Lee and you might see what I mean. Jules You're right Jules. There's definitely no mistaking them now! Simon's voice has (IMHO) completely changed and now has a resonance and depth it simply didn't have in the early 70s. I wonder if he's had singing lessons or if it's just matured naturally over the years (like a cheeese ... ;D ) Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Staffan on April 25, 2007, 08:19:17 PM [ I wonder if he's had singing lessons or if it's just matured naturally over the years (like a cheeese ... ;D ) I think your voice matures like a cheese over the years. ;D Usually the difference between the voice of a spotty teenager and a complacent - sorry Simon, talking more from my personal experience - 55+ is quite big, when it comes to vocal range, pitch, depth etc. ;) Staffan Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on April 25, 2007, 08:21:05 PM I find it hard to understand how anyone could ever confuse them. But maybe I am not listening to the most appropriate Fairport tracks. ::) I think that's it - if you listen to the 1971 band or the 1977-9 band, then it sometimes becomes quite difficult to tell. Back then Simon sang in the same pitch as peggy and both had that nasal thing going on. Listen to I Was 16/John My Son from 'Babbacombe' Lee and you might see what I mean. Jules Fair comment Jules. Will check out Babbacome Lee (which I have to confess I have yet to play in it's entirety - sorry Brij!) And yes, I am very much aware that Simon's voice has matured beautifully since the early days. ::) Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on May 03, 2007, 08:20:07 PM Currently listening to Angel Delight.
Simon definitely has "that nasal thing" going on in the track "Sir William Gower". :D Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: PLW (Peter) on May 04, 2007, 09:43:04 AM Currently listening to Angel Delight. "Sir William Gower". :D Any relation? Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on May 04, 2007, 09:52:36 AM Currently listening to Angel Delight. "Sir William Gower". :D Any relation? No, thankfully :o (But as I am sure you know, the sleeve notes tell us that he was a fictional character) :D Title: Re: Simon and Peggy - confusing their singing Post by: Cocker Freeman on May 04, 2007, 09:54:53 AM No he wasn't. He ran a newsagent's in Maldon High Street.
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