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Any ideas what this is going to be? It's due out in early August according to HMV.
johnnysaint

all the stuff ive got 4 times already on 2 lps and 2 cds not to mention the compilations for a start
lets just hope the extra tracks make it all worthwhile
maybe its a re-recording of the whole lp with all the surviving original members and Chris While?
or maybe guest vocalists

maybe simon could enlighten us...

Maybe a few guest covers?, Chelsea's  Didier Drogba doing Come All Ye, Ann Widdecombe whistling Reynardine and Olympic Shotputter Geoff Capes making a return to public life with a stirring hammered dulcimer version of Crazy Man Michael - it would work you know.

I hope it's not just the album, the outtakes and the BBC sessions, with a couple of alternate rough mixes thrown in to tempt the completists.  I hope there's something more to it.

Jules

Early August? Why on earth would they bring it out then?  ;)

Absolutely the first I've heard about it. There is no newly-discovered archive stuff, and we certainly haven't had a get-together to re-record it as older versions of our original selves.
Well I haven't anyway.

Sigh. Well make sure you get paid for it.

So are they actually allowed to get away with this? The material is yours, if not 100% legally then morally.  ??? ???
If it is not sanctioned by Fairport or Fairport have no input to it then I won't be bothering to buy it. >:(

Most recordings are owned by record labels rather than bands.  Unless you're lucky enough to have a carefully worded clause or two in your contract, then they can pretty much do as they see fit I think.

Jules

I think the point I was trying to make (not very well) is that I find it incredible that they can just release the bands work willy nilly and with out so much as a by your leave.  But then again, I know nothing of the workings of the industry.

You made your point just fine, Dave.  I sort of agree with you, but that's the business world for ya.  Look at all the book reprints you see - there's no way they are going to seek the approval of all the authors.....

The artists and writers get royalties and publishing money.  The labels get to handle the 'product' as they see fit.

Jules

Seems rather strange seeing as how a re-mastered L&L with bonus tracks came out just a few years ago.

It is a bit irritating that record companies bring out these re-issues when there are albums which are out-of-print which could be re-released. A good example is RT's (guitar,vocal) which was a superb compilation of FC, R+LT and solo. Most of the tracks from that album have since re-surfaced on re-issues of Fairport or R+LT cds and there is always the option of just downloading those tracks from iTunes or wherever, but I'd love to be able to buy a copy of the original album. I fear that the instrumentals like Flee As A Bird are lost forever. The reason I mention that album is that I had it on tape and the tape got knackered.  :(

But the Deluxe Edition of L&L has the sound of bandwagons being jumped upon by the record company in light of the Cropredy reunion.

Not forgeting Bright Pheobus, but that's another story...

Just read this on amazon in the review section for the Unhalfbricking re-issue...

"I already owned the previous CD version so it was with some reservations that I bought this one (only, in the end, because I needed to hear Sandy Denny's take on 'The Ballad of Easy Rider')..."

The record companies must love people like him!

Easy Rider is actually one of my favourite Sandy Denny tracks (and it was on guitar,vocal) but it's also on the compilation No More Sad Refrains.

Does anyone know if it's ever been played at Cropredy?

I have a feeling that it may be just outakes from the sessions, as I am now listening to a different version of Reynardine now from Ashley's Five album

I believe the bonus tracks this time are the audio from an appearance on Danish TV in 1969 (from memory, the performance Sandy nearly didn't join them for and left soon after).

The songs I know they did on that show were The Deserter, Reynardine, Lark In The Morning, Matty Groves (with no extended outro) and Crazy Man Michael.  So not new songs as such but different "live" contemporary versions thereof.  And audio only.

I don't know what any other bonus tracks might be, though you'd hope they'd keep the Sandy "Sir Pat" and Quiet Joys from the previous reissue...

I heartily agree with you.

Jules

That's just a different mix of the BBC version, Ollie - same as on the BBC box set.

Jules

The version of Quiet Joys from the Who Knows Where The Time Goes? (I believe it's take 4) is so much better than those alternate takes.  And now of course it's out of print, so maybe that will turn up.

Jules

I had not realised they appeared on Danish TV in 69.  Has anyone researched whether the footage remains?  Will this be another  YouTube surprise?

It it's anything like the John Martyn double CD re-issues, it'll be the original album plus various live tracks and session recordings.

Maybe the invite was sent to that Nicol chap from Steeleye Span instead. :)

Does it say what date in August?  After the 10th per chance????  

I guess the point about calling something a 'new reissue' rather than just doing a new pressing of a recent reissue,from the marketing point of view, is that it gets press - reviews in music magazines, flagged up on websites, and thus attention. It's got us talking right?  

it doesnt take much to do that
an old bloke dieing can generate terrabytes of stuff

I hope you're not suggesting that one of the Fairports should die for publicity purposes!  :o

a little subterfuge for commercial purposes..........hmmmmmm

Well, Swarb did make a tidy sum selling autographed copies of his Obituary  ;D

so we know that scam works

Disc 1
1 Come All Ye
2 Reynardine
3 Matty Groves
4 Farewell Farewell
5 Deserter
6 Medley The Lark In The Morning/Rakish Paddy/Foxhunter's Jig/Toss The Feathers
7 Tam Lin
8 Crazy Man Michael

Disc 2
1 Sir Patrick Spens Sandy Denny vocal
2 Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood take 4
3 Ballad Of Easy Rider
4 Tam Lin Top Gear session 27-9-69
5 Medley The Lark In The Morning/Rakish Paddy/Foxhunter's Jig/Toss The Feathers - Top Gear session 27-9-69
6 Sir Patrick Spens Top Gear session 27-9-69
7 Reynardine Top Gear session 27-9-69
8 Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood take 1
9 Lady Is A Tramp Top Gear session 27-9-69
10 In Other Words (Fly Me To The Moon)
2CD
(Island distributed by Universal Music)

Wasn't agreed in the Live @ the BBC thread that Lady is a Tramp isn't actually Fairport? I'm not impressed with this CD at all. If you have Liege and Lief and tyhe BBC Box set, you'll have all the tracks already. This bandwagon is starting to slow down with the sheer wieght of the people jumping on the back of it.

No, you're thinking of Light My Fire.  Lady is a Tramp is definitely RT on vocal, DM on piano, SN on drums.
However, I do agree that BBC makes this release unnecessary. Of course, for people who did not want to spend the money for BBC, this might be a good purchase.

Mind you, for anyone who didn't get the BBC box set and can't be arsed to wade through the Free Reed complilations, it looks like a good addition to the car glove box. One does have to wonder about the degree of "Well, since we've dug this up anyway, we might as well stick it out and see what happens..." involved but, as ever, as far as I understand it the way the principle of the market works is that purchases of such compilations aren't actually compulsory. Or is it mandatory?

So much for the "Danish TV session" theory!  It seems however there is the usual trick of having one previously unreleased track...

10 In Other Words (Fly Me To The Moon)

... to tempt wavering buyers.  Whether one would buy a full 2CD just to get it, especially if it can be bought separately via ITunes, is another thing.

What's the story behind that particular track, I wonder?  Sounds like a bit of a throwaway piece to me.

mh

Could it be this?

(Ashley on the 2002 rerelease): "Other items found included a long jazz improvisation featuring Dave Mattacks on piano, but the band vetoed its inclusion on the extended CD verison as being out of character with the other material. It will certainly be released at a later date" (Hinton/Wall biog of The Guv'nor, p131).

Does packaging ever become a consideration in buying something like this? Would a nice booklet, with rare photos and a good critical essay about the importance of Liege & Lief, would that sway anyone into picking this up? Just wondering.
TG

I don't know.  But this release bugs me.  It doesn't inspire me to buy it but now every time I look at my single disc version, I'll be wishing I had it.  Dammit - I loathe being a music business sucker!

 >:(

Jules

I'm not buying it because I have the original, and I've never been a slave to any band. In fact too many extras and reissues tends to alienate me. Genuine good tracks that have collectable status are one thing; commercial filler is another entirely.

It would have to be pretty spectacular packaging for me to be tempted to buy the album for a 4th time!  Especially if the one unavailable track is available as a download.  And I can't imagine what sort of packaging that might even be, or what new major revelations could be in the booklet.

I'm really perfectly happy with the last bonus-track single remastered L&L.  Especially since I have RT & Swarb's autographs on it.  :)

So does anyone have it by now? I've seen it advertised on eBay now.

Not that I am buying it. The remastered L&L from a years ago was definite as far as I'm concerned - now that was a release which was welcome after the initial L&L CD (which even had a picture of the wrong line up). As were the other remasters. Completely content with that.
But stop milking that cow now: how much more definite can you go?

It's the same with some other classic albums. Take Cream's Disreali Gears. Had it on CD in the Cream Remasters series released 1997 (which already replaced an earlier Disreali CD in their catalogue). Then this box set came out with all released and a few unreleased Cream tracks, including the whole Disreali Gears again - I bought it for not very much for the extras, wouldn't pay full price.
And then just a little later this 2CD Deluxe set comes out. I guess mono and stereo (duh). That's one 1967 album released about 3x in 5 years time. Fick them with an u instead of an i.

Same with The Who. I didn't buy the first CD versions, content as I was then with my old vinyl. But the remasters in 1996ish were nice. Once more, a few years later these silly 2CD Deluxe things get released. And I bet there'll be a Who's Next 3CD box within 5 years time.
Beach Boys' Pet Sounds has been milked dry that way too.

And if this one's a seller again, I bet there's a 3CD Liege & Lief come its 40th Anniversary.

well ive not got it yet but i saw Swarb givibg a copy of the new 2 cd edition to Jill (his mrs) yesterday afternoon

I agree that the deluxe L&L is a rip-off, but The Who deluxe editions were pretty good: 5.1 mix on Tommy plus the usual listen-once-only outtakes & demoes; extras and a complete contemporaneous unreleased concert on Who's Next; the complete concert for the first time on Live at Leeds.

The difference with L&L is that there's nothing in the deluxe edition to tempt existing owners. They should have waited for Cropredy and re-released the album with Friday night's live version ...

CD and DVD package. I'd buy that.

Me too. I thought Chris While was brilliant.

She actually sounded exactly like Sandy on Farewell Farewell.

I haven't long bought L&L the remastered CD version, so I doubt I will buy another, but I also thought Chris While was excellent - why wasn't she singing on Saturday instead of Vicki Clayton, who had a good bluesy voice, but was not really suited to the softer more expressive pieces?

I would think because Vikki has done a long stint with the band being Sandy's stand in, and now she is emegrating to New Zealand, she won't be at Cropredy much in the future, so it's nice to let her have this one last (for a while) go.

Unfortunately, the Liege & Lief set on Friday wasn't filmed....

....but no doubt was recorded....

......by the BBC for (I Think) a Mike Harding spewcial....

...but also off the soundboard. They'd have been nuts not to.

No mention of In Other Words (Fly Me To The Moon) on the packaging of the new deluxe version.  Either it never was, it's been scrapped, or it's a 'secret' track.

Jules

Last track listed as 'The Lady is a Tramp/In Other Words (Fly Me to the Moon) on the CD label.

Actually Friday was recorded.  I was at the front (stage right as they say) and a rather pretty brunette was in the pit recording the L&L performance.  She was there the entire time (of L&L) and changed angles.  So while not the full professional job of Saturday there is a full recording.  By who though, I do not know.

The Liege and Lief set will feature as an hour long Mike Harding Show Special some time in the future.  The date has not been fixed yet.

Eyes peeled to the BBC's Folk site for more details, everyone.

I spoke to him in the Musicroom tent and he said late September, early October.

Me too. I thought Chris While was brilliant.
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She actually sounded exactly like Sandy on Farewell Farewell.
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It's always difficult to be sure due to the inevitably poor sound quality of hearing through the PA, but I'd agree that she sounded very like Sandy; in fact, I'd go so far as to say that had Sandy lived until 2007, I doubt very much that she would have sounded nearly so good. Previous to that evening I had thought that Kate Rusby was "dream casting" for Sandy's vocals, but now that I've heard it I think that Chris's voice was even more appropriate.

Hrmph.  I don't think this is a very productive line of speculation. How can any of us know what she would have sounded like - or how much more she would have achieved - if she'd lived?

Chris While was very good.how old is she by the way ?

what a rude question to ask about a lady :o

 :-[   just wondering what she would sound like at 60.comparing any of these lovely singers to the incomparable Sandy Denny is a bit strong - ain't it ?

dont cry its only me
you'll get used to being abused ::)

water off a duck's back to me Jim.i will have to watch my step though as i've already had one (polite) warning.    :(

Like your style Billy.....  ;)

the boy might just go far ::)