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Title: Sounds Interesting Post by: Big Dave on June 27, 2007, 11:12:45 AM This just come in from the FC list
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Owston Subject: [Fairport] Guide to Folk Rock sites To: fairport-list@mcvax.org Message-ID: <529318.58905.qm@web55706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Here's an idea that I came up witth a few days ago. Maaybe one of your inhabitants of Merry Olde England would undertake this task: A Guide to Folk Rock sites in the UK The most obvious choices are, of course, Cropredy, the Fairport House in London, the location of the UFO club, the Roundhouse, but there are many others, Like Winterbourne Stoke, where Ashley wintered with the earliest incarnation of Steeleye Span, Barford St. Michael, Sandy & Trevor's house, key pubs, venues for folk rock, festivals, Morris dancers, etc. Kinda like the "In Search of Albion" book, but more geared to the music side of things. I've looked in those travel guides at the library, but they are for rich people and/or very conservative middle of the road type folks. There not about folk or rock or folk-rock music at all. Anybody game to undertake this? Cheers, Chuck Sounds like an ideal way to spend a couple of weeks! ;D ;D [;-) Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: David W on June 27, 2007, 11:37:05 AM Sounds a great idea - but one for all English folk / folk rock would be pretty difficult to complete, there'd be dozens in Oxfordshire alone with it's Morris traditions.
One for Fairport and it's off shoots would be prett cool though, especially when one factors in all of Ashley's work. So, my additions to Chuck's list: Broughton Castle - site of an early fairport festival Fotheringay - for obvious reasons White Bear, Masham - Live at the White Bear etc Birmingham Symphony Hall - scene of FC's biggest gigs in recent years Trying to move out of London and the folk rock belt a bit as well. Any other suggestions, Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Staffan on June 27, 2007, 11:50:45 AM Etchingham - for Ashley's due to "power-cuts" acoustic outfit Etchingham Steam Band
Staffan Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: PaulT on June 27, 2007, 12:37:24 PM Ainsdale beach (Granada TV recording, with Steeleye)
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Malcolm on June 27, 2007, 12:37:46 PM Half Moon at Putney
Putney Vale cemetery (Sandy's grave) The church hall in Golders Green where they did their first gig Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Staffan on June 27, 2007, 12:46:21 PM I take it the ex-pub in Little Hadham is no more? In that case, a Plaque from The Fairport Trust, maybe...?? ;D ;D ;D
Sandy´s home in Wimbledon where the Unhalfbricking cover photo was taken. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Big Dave on June 27, 2007, 12:47:05 PM I take it the ex-pub in Little Hadham is no more? In that case, a Plaque from The Fairport Trust, maybe...?? ;D ;D ;D Sandy´s home in Wimbledon where the Unhalfbricking cover photo was taken. Think it's still there but no longer a pub. Malcolm? Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Ian_ on June 27, 2007, 01:55:04 PM [;-) Some Folk-rock pilgrims might be keen to visit Nick Drake's grave, former home, and the scene of some true inspiration, in Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire. It's not a vast distance from Cropredy (roughly thirty five miles, about ten miles north of Stratford); I mention this because there's a gathering of fan's and musicians in the village of Tanworth on August 3rd and 4th this year, so anybody holidaying in Cropredy week might want to combine the two events. Information here: http://www.ancient-enchantments.net/nickdrake/events/2007.htm Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: David W on June 27, 2007, 02:01:29 PM [;-) Some Folk-rock pilgrims might be keen to visit Nick Drake's grave, former home, and the scene of some true inspiration, in Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire. It's not a vast distance from Cropredy (roughly thirty five miles, about ten miles north of Stratford); I mention this because there's a gathering of fan's and musicians in the village of Tanworth on August 3rd and 4th this year, so anybody holidaying in Cropredy week might want to combine the two events. Information here: http://www.ancient-enchantments.net/nickdrake/events/2007.htm That's a good one Ian. and how about, Basildon in Berkshire - birthplace of Jethro Tull ;) Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Mix (Mic) on June 27, 2007, 02:08:09 PM [;-) Some Folk-rock pilgrims might be keen to visit Nick Drake's grave, former home, and the scene of some true inspiration, in Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire. It's not a vast distance from Cropredy (roughly thirty five miles, about ten miles north of Stratford); I mention this because there's a gathering of fan's and musicians in the village of Tanworth on August 3rd and 4th this year, so anybody holidaying in Cropredy week might want to combine the two events. Information here: http://www.ancient-enchantments.net/nickdrake/events/2007.htm Nuts!!!!! I start my 3 day holiday in Chippy on the 6th Poooooooo :( Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on June 27, 2007, 02:11:46 PM Will anyone be cross with me for adding Lowdham Village Hall (famous for flooding) in Notts.. the venue for SWARB's very first post transplant gig with Lazarus on the 10th March 2006....
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Malcolm on June 27, 2007, 02:13:10 PM I take it the ex-pub in Little Hadham is no more? In that case, a Plaque from The Fairport Trust, maybe...?? ;D ;D ;D Sandy´s home in Wimbledon where the Unhalfbricking cover photo was taken. Think it's still there but no longer a pub. Malcolm? Very much there and lived in, complete with scar on the brickwork where the lorry came in. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Mix (Mic) on June 27, 2007, 02:13:52 PM Will anyone be cross with me for adding Lowdham Village Hall (famous for flooding) in Notts.. the venue for SWARB's very first post transplant gig with Lazarus on the 10th March 2006.... A very interesting part of any FC associated tour I think Jenny :) Why on Earth should anyone be cross ya muffin :-* Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Will S on June 27, 2007, 04:22:14 PM Trying to move out of London and the folk rock belt a bit as well. Any other suggestions, Swarb lived somewhere in Scotland for a while, didn't he? Anyone know where, exactly? (And I believe he also lived in Australia at some point, but maybe that's a bit off the beaten track if this is supposed to be a British folk rock sites tour). Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Jim on June 27, 2007, 04:25:23 PM Trying to move out of London and the folk rock belt a bit as well. Any other suggestions, Swarb lived somewhere in Scotland for a while, didn't he? Anyone know where, exactly? err.....smiddyburn? Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Will S on June 27, 2007, 04:27:48 PM Trying to move out of London and the folk rock belt a bit as well. Any other suggestions, Swarb lived somewhere in Scotland for a while, didn't he? Anyone know where, exactly? err.....smiddyburn? I guess that would make sense of the album name. I had wondered... Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: David W on June 27, 2007, 04:33:36 PM There is a burial mound in Orkney said to be in memory of Sir Patrick Spens.
Blenheim Palace worth a visit to remember Lord Marlborough, and of course a trip to Babbacombe in recognition of John Lee. Jackdaw Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Big Dave on June 27, 2007, 04:35:44 PM Might the road atlas out when I have finished work and plot all these points. Wonder what the logistics of organising a TAW chara' trip would be like?
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Mix (Mic) on June 27, 2007, 04:43:38 PM Might the road atlas out when I have finished work and plot all these points. Wonder what the logistics of organising a TAW chara' trip would be like? And who would volunteer to be the designated (sober) driver ;) ;) Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Big Dave on June 27, 2007, 04:55:05 PM Might the road atlas out when I have finished work and plot all these points. Wonder what the logistics of organising a TAW chara' trip would be like? And who would volunteer to be the designated (sober) driver ;) ;) DV or fB can do it, they are sober and reliable up-standing men of this parish. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Mix (Mic) on June 27, 2007, 05:16:22 PM Now I always thought that vertical was up-standing, not horizontal ;D
Of course a Rota system could work, DV, Fb, Goaty, Cocker and your good self BD..... no danger of intoxication there then ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Jack O Diamonds on June 27, 2007, 05:29:43 PM Middle Earth (by the Covent Garden Piazza)
The Country Club (Haverstock Hill) - scene of many fine evenings... Essex University Hall (What We Did On Our Holidays cover.... I guess the old blackboard will have been replaced with a whiteboard by now...) Durnsford Road Gospel Oak Station Site of Mothers in Birmingham.... Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: PLW (Peter) on June 27, 2007, 05:36:47 PM Essex University Hall (What We Did On Our Holidays cover.... I guess the old blackboard will have been replaced with a whiteboard by now...) Interactive board now, mate! Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Big Dave on June 27, 2007, 05:40:34 PM He wants to be careful that Jack O Diamonds chappie, the PC brigade will have him dontcha know ::)
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on June 27, 2007, 07:33:28 PM We could go to the Shetland Islands too to see John Gaudie's old home.
Oh yes and Chris Leslie learned to make fiddles in the middle of Newark! Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Dubai Danny on June 29, 2007, 01:15:17 PM I guess that would make sense of the album name. I had wondered... Smiddyburn is in Aberdeenshire - and if you want to know exactly where -click here! (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=394500&y=820500&z=3&sv=smiddyburn&st=3&tl=Smiddyburn,+Aberdeenshire+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) I love the fact that it's close to a place called Dubbystyle. Seems somehow appropriate for someone who works in the music business :) Anyone know if the old manor house used for the Leige & Lief rehearsals is still standing? Called Farleigh Chamberlayne, or something like that, wasn't it? Where actually was it? Somewhere in Hampshire, near Winchester? Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on June 29, 2007, 02:22:41 PM Gawd knows, but yes it was near Winchester
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Jack O Diamonds on June 29, 2007, 03:07:24 PM Essex University Hall (What We Did On Our Holidays cover.... I guess the old blackboard will have been replaced with a whiteboard by now...) Interactive board now, mate! "Unhalfbricking" as a tactical musical strategy game letting you play more than 100 ensemble jams with a variety of Fairport line ups that you can train and customize.... Available offline... Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Ollie on June 29, 2007, 03:47:57 PM I'm surprised no ones mentioned Cecil Sharp House, where Ashley spent hours trawling through the archives
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Ollie on June 29, 2007, 09:55:11 PM Here's a bit of info on Farley Chamberlayne
http://www.southernlife.org.uk/farley_chamberlain.htm Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on June 29, 2007, 10:30:43 PM Oh yes and Chris Leslie learned to make fiddles in the middle of Newark! Not exactly folk-rock history, Jen - nor is your village hall, unfortunately! Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Mix (Mic) on June 30, 2007, 05:32:20 AM Oh yes and Chris Leslie learned to make fiddles in the middle of Newark! Not exactly folk-rock history, Jen - nor is your village hall, unfortunately! :o I'd call the first place that Swarb performed after his surgery quite historical :o Also, anyone who is interested in FC information would be interested in the individuals who form/have formed the band, which I think makes where Chris learned to make fiddles perfectly legtimate! Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on June 30, 2007, 09:24:51 AM Quite Mic.. my suggestion remains valid!
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on June 30, 2007, 09:55:49 AM If it were the history of FC, maybe, but I thought we were discussing the History of Folk-Rock?.....which makes these rather a side-topic....
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on June 30, 2007, 09:59:27 AM OK.. you have the last word then....
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on June 30, 2007, 10:28:12 AM Which would have been yours if I hadn't responded wouldn't it?
So you're sore - get over it please. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Nuthouse on June 30, 2007, 12:04:17 PM Fools rush in and all that.... but it's never stopped me before
Who knows whether what happens today may be seen, on reflection, as a notable occasion ? A reunion or indeed a return to performing could conceivable be seen as such - expecially with someone as influential as Mr Swarbrick. I think that we may look back at Lazarus' rising and tell our grandchildren 'I was there, you know'.... in fact, I already do ;D Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on June 30, 2007, 12:31:24 PM Oh for God's sake..
STU.. I'M GLAD YOU WERE THERE.. WHAT A NIGHT IT WAS!! Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Mix (Mic) on June 30, 2007, 12:46:10 PM Which would have been yours if I hadn't responded wouldn't it? So you're sore - get over it please. Who's sore? Petty Chris, very petty! FC are part of Folk/Folk Rock history, and Chris Leslie hasn't only ever been in Fairport, and that's definitely my last word on this topic/thread :-X Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: taylor on June 30, 2007, 01:33:28 PM Which would have been yours if I hadn't responded wouldn't it? So you're sore - get over it please. Bad hair day me thinks ;D ;D Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Nuthouse on June 30, 2007, 02:13:22 PM Andy L mentioned Led Zep being at Knebworth... I was at one of them too (wasn't you that nicked my ladybird tobacco tin was it Leslie? >:()
Anyway... weren't these the last two UK gigs that Led Zep performed with Bonzo ? Someone will know and I can't be arsed to check. Anyway... if this is the case, then the surely the second gig (though we didn't know it at the time) was a little bit of rock history... though sad, like many event in rock history. Where did Peter Green play his first comeback gig.... ? That's worthy of note surely. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: davidmjs on June 30, 2007, 02:40:10 PM Andy L mentioned Led Zep being at Knebworth... I was at one of them too (wasn't you that nicked my ladybird tobacco tin was it Leslie? >:() Anyway... weren't these the last two UK gigs that Led Zep performed with Bonzo ? Someone will know and I can't be arsed to check. Anyway... if this is the case, then the surely the second gig (though we didn't know it at the time) was a little bit of rock history... though sad, like many event in rock history. Where did Peter Green play his first comeback gig.... ? That's worthy of note surely. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Nuthouse on June 30, 2007, 02:51:29 PM Andy L mentioned Led Zep being at Knebworth... I was at one of them too (wasn't you that nicked my ladybird tobacco tin was it Leslie? >:() Anyway... weren't these the last two UK gigs that Led Zep performed with Bonzo ? Someone will know and I can't be arsed to check. Anyway... if this is the case, then the surely the second gig (though we didn't know it at the time) was a little bit of rock history... though sad, like many event in rock history. Where did Peter Green play his first comeback gig.... ? That's worthy of note surely. You missed a bit off, David ;) Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: ColinB on June 30, 2007, 03:02:14 PM The most obvious choices are, of course, Cropredy, the Fairport House in London, What's the address of the Fairport house? I lived in Muswell Hill from 88-91 but knew nought about the band back then so might have walked past the house without realising its significance. The only (very loosely) FC-related gig I went to back then was the gig The Stranglers played at Alexandra Palace which turned out to be Hugh Cornwell's last gig with the band. As RT fans might know, Hugh played bass in a school band with RT. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Simon Nicol on June 30, 2007, 08:24:05 PM The most obvious choices are, of course, Cropredy, the Fairport House in London, What's the address of the Fairport house? I lived in Muswell Hill from 88-91 but knew nought about the band back then so might have walked past the house without realising its significance. Corner of Fortis Green (NOT Fortis Green Road) and Fortismere Avenue. Not for much longer, methinks. I remember calculating that the leasehold would expire in 2007 so the Westminster Estate (I THINK) would reclaim the Freehold. Patch of land that size in that postcode could happily accomodate 25 maisonettes at £450K apiece. You do the math! Bye Bye old Family Home..... Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: tarda (Gill) on June 30, 2007, 08:41:41 PM Better get the charabanc tour on the road tout suite then.
Who's driving? Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on June 30, 2007, 10:27:21 PM Oh I would love to see it before it disappears..... :(
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Ollie on June 30, 2007, 10:51:53 PM I THINK I've found it on Google Earth, but i'm not sure.
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Jim on June 30, 2007, 11:04:10 PM go to google maps , put in fortis green, go to hybrid and there it is
big old bit of land , just like Simon said Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on June 30, 2007, 11:12:32 PM Looks like a big house (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fortis+Green,+London+N2,+United+Kingdom&sll=51.589273,-0.14985&sspn=0.000417,0.001207&ie=UTF8&ll=51.590924,-0.150016&spn=0.000417,0.001207&t=h&z=19&om=1) to me, Jim!
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Malcolm on July 01, 2007, 12:42:34 PM If that is the case, efforts could possibly be made to retrieve the house nameplate, which does appear on an FC CD sleeve. Can't think the Westminster Estate would want it.
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: jude on July 01, 2007, 01:07:25 PM If that is the case, efforts could possibly be made to retrieve the house nameplate, which does appear on an FC CD sleeve. Can't think the Westminster Estate would want it. If it's the one with the ship, then it's not the original one. That one is shown on my website. The photo with Boatboy aged about 18 months with his yellow blanket.... ;D Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Ollie on July 01, 2007, 01:13:09 PM Coud someone not buy it? Simon?
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on July 01, 2007, 01:16:31 PM Not much point buying it if it's not the original.
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Andy on July 01, 2007, 03:05:19 PM Where did Peter Green play his first comeback gig.... ? That's worthy of note surely. Guildford Civic Hall, I thought. Certainly we saw him there very early in his comeback. We were driving past the venue and saw the poster going up for that night. About 1996? Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Nuthouse on July 01, 2007, 03:07:02 PM Where did Peter Green play his first comeback gig.... ? That's worthy of note surely. Guildford Civic Hall, I thought. Certainly we saw him there very early in his comeback. We were driving past the venue and saw the poster going up for that night. About 1996? Sounds about right.. then that's another momentous return to the stage, I'd say. I say him when he came to Northampton about the same time. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: davidmjs on July 01, 2007, 03:08:35 PM Where did Peter Green play his first comeback gig.... ? That's worthy of note surely. Guildford Civic Hall, I thought. Certainly we saw him there very early in his comeback. We were driving past the venue and saw the poster going up for that night. About 1996? Depends which comeback you mean. He played live in the late 70's and early 80's too - in a band led by Pete Bardens (of Camel). I saw them at a pub in Midhurst, West Sussex...probably '83 but I can't remember exactly. Good bar-room blues stuff but Green was barely there...musically or mentally. I seem to remember the first of the 90's comeback gigs was at Buxton but I may be wrong... Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Ollie on July 01, 2007, 03:09:05 PM Not much point buying it if it's not the original. No, no, no, the actual house. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Andy on July 01, 2007, 03:10:36 PM Go ahead, Ollie.
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on July 01, 2007, 03:11:53 PM The value of the potential development would exclude it, Ollie....you just wouldn't spend that amount to preserve something unrecognised by at least 50% (and that's conservative) of the UK population.
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Dubai Danny on July 01, 2007, 09:52:55 PM Corner of Fortis Green (NOT Fortis Green Road) and Fortismere Avenue. Not for much longer, methinks Right! We're back in the UK in early August (for some reason that I can't quite remember now), so I'm definitely going to take the Tube to East Finchley... Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on July 02, 2007, 03:56:53 PM A 23 minute walk - or the 234 bus from bus top E to Springcroft Avenue & a short walk.
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on July 02, 2007, 03:59:39 PM A 23 minute walk - or the 234 bus from bus top E to Springcroft Avenue & a short walk. Blimey Chris, did you really actually time it? :o Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on July 02, 2007, 04:04:43 PM nah! the TfL journey planner is a wonderous thing.....I can't locate the postcode though without the street number!
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Jules Gray on July 02, 2007, 04:10:17 PM nah! the TfL journey planner is a wonderous thing..... Surely it should have to take into account factors like length of leg and type of shoe tread in order to give a truly accurate travel time for pedestrians.....? ;D Jules Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: jimc on July 03, 2007, 11:38:03 PM Its very easy to find by accident when you're trying to get to Ally Pally...
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: the beat goes on on July 04, 2007, 10:42:25 AM http://hidden-london.tripod.com/fortisgreen.html
Worth a quick look. Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: the beat goes on on July 04, 2007, 10:45:45 AM Here is the address of "Fairport" -
Fairport, Fortis Green, Muswell Hill, London N10 3BQ Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on July 04, 2007, 02:01:48 PM Errr - THe place we want is in N2, not N10.....
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: jude on July 04, 2007, 02:09:40 PM Errr - THe place we want is in N2, not N10..... Fairport has always been in N10 although I believe Fortis Green goes into N2 Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Chris on July 04, 2007, 02:20:01 PM Aaahhhh - OK, the road (Fortis Green) straddles both postcodes....
Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Tasha on July 12, 2007, 02:34:59 PM Its a doctors surgery still listed as Fairport!
http://www.neighbourhoodprofessionals.co.uk/regions/n/proff/county10.asp Title: Re: Sounds Interesting Post by: Tim Fletcher on July 12, 2007, 04:01:02 PM Its a doctors surgery still listed as Fairport! http://www.neighbourhoodprofessionals.co.uk/regions/n/proff/county10.asp The house still has its Fairport name (something I always look out for when I go past) but I'm not sure it is a doctor's any more. I don't recollect seeing a doctor's name plate on display in recent years. I am quite prepared to be proved wrong though. |