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Title: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on October 12, 2007, 12:01:21 PM
I think this is called proving there is a demand for these (and the Other Boot / Third Leg) to be reissued on CD.... How about a box set chaps?

http://tinyurl.com/2uwgxy  :o


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Chris on October 12, 2007, 12:18:04 PM
Can't agree with your ascertation, I'm afraid, that this proves anything.

There's two bidders on this.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: rolyh on October 12, 2007, 12:18:27 PM
The original boxed tapes turn up on e-bay from time to time and are a much cheaper option.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2007, 12:21:57 PM

I think this is called proving there is a demand for these (and the Other Boot / Third Leg) to be reissued on CD.... How about a box set chaps?

http://tinyurl.com/2uwgxy  :o



YIKES!!  Man, I'm doomed for getting hold of these on CD unless there's a reissue.   :o :'(

Come on Peggy, Simon et al - how's about it?

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2007, 12:22:48 PM

Can't agree with your ascertation, I'm afraid, that this proves anything.

There's two bidders on this.


There'd be a whole lot more if it wasn't so frickin' expensive!!!!

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Nick Reg on October 12, 2007, 12:24:10 PM
They're keen (or tactically naiave) with 9 days to go!


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on October 12, 2007, 12:34:34 PM

The original boxed tapes turn up on e-bay from time to time and are a much cheaper option.


There's some on there now... the Record Collector price guide on them is 25 quid a shot, and these are much less (he says, as innocently as he can manage)  :)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2007, 12:37:20 PM
I have The Boot on tape, but I'd dearly love it on CD.  My hi-fi tape deck bit the dust last year, and I really can't see my replacing it.  So at the moment it gets played in the kitchen or the car only.

(That version of Jack Orion by the way - stupendous!!)

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on October 12, 2007, 12:41:56 PM

Can't agree with your ascertation, I'm afraid, that this proves anything.

There's two bidders on this.


Whenever the CD sets appear on eBay they always go for upwards of 50 quid, sometimes 80 and now, this at 100 quid and more...There is a demand for these.  That's all I'm saying...  1000 copies of an 8 or 10 CD set in a nice package (chuck in '85 as well please - I'm happy to supply the recordings!) would sell out easily.  I can't prove it, but I would say 'I told you so' when the sold out notices go out next August....  :)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Chris on October 12, 2007, 12:46:45 PM
Sorry, can't agree.....many of us have them all, and some will only have one set, on CD already - and there's no way those will pay out again to get a 'whole box' set.

I reckon the demand is only a couple of hundred, and that's a mixture of the two sets.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on October 12, 2007, 12:48:37 PM

Sorry, can't agree.....many of us have them all, and some will only have one set, on CD already - and there's no way those will pay out again to get a 'whole box' set.

I reckon the demand is only a couple of hundred, and that's a mixture of the two sets.


So that's a 'I have it and I know noone else wants it' is it Chris?  :) I'm confident you're wrong.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Anna on October 12, 2007, 12:53:29 PM
Well I don't have any of these...

I'd fork out for a box set (or even individual reissues), it would be nice to have a reissue with the opportunity for nice new words in the inlay etc...

But I would only buy one (set), that's true.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2007, 02:22:47 PM


Sorry, can't agree.....many of us have them all, and some will only have one set, on CD already - and there's no way those will pay out again to get a 'whole box' set.

I reckon the demand is only a couple of hundred, and that's a mixture of the two sets.


So that's a 'I have it and I know noone else wants it' is it Chris?  :) I'm confident you're wrong.


Yeah, I'm confident that he's wrong too.  They'd sell plenty at Croppers alone.

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Nick Reg on October 12, 2007, 02:50:06 PM

Sorry, can't agree.....many of us have them all, and some will only have one set, on CD already - and there's no way those will pay out again to get a 'whole box' set.

I reckon the demand is only a couple of hundred, and that's a mixture of the two sets.


So why has 1992 been re-released then?


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Chris on October 12, 2007, 02:59:18 PM
To keep a live set in the Talking Elephant catalogue?


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Staffan on October 12, 2007, 03:09:15 PM
Much as I love the music and Fairport lineups of the late 70s and early 80s Cropredy´s of which I attended several, I must admit I very seldom play the Cd's. I'm all for new edition -so that all of you who wish to do so can get hold of the music at a reasonable price- but please don't box them. My fear is that such a box would contain one or two "unreleased" tracks & you know where that leads completists like you (?) and me.  ;D ;)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Chris on October 14, 2007, 06:25:00 PM
These recordings are still with Woodworm Records, and there are definitely NO plans for them to be re-released any time soon, in any format.

Your best bet is to talk another company (Talking Elephant or some such like) into purchasing the rights from them & putting it out.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Ollie on October 14, 2007, 06:52:38 PM


Your best bet is to talk another company (Talking Elephant or some such like) into purchasing the rights from them & putting it out.


I tried that a few months ago, with no response. Prehaps if lots of people e-mailed and asked, we might get somewhere. It also may be worth doing the same at FC's end.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jim on October 14, 2007, 06:56:35 PM
the boots were limited issues so theres probably not much chance of any more
 but if Chris Pegg owns them along with woodworm who knows
as woodworm was, we  were told at the time of the split, very much a live concern


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Chris on October 14, 2007, 07:00:19 PM
Chris Pegg is 50% of Woodworm....


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 15, 2007, 09:41:28 AM



Your best bet is to talk another company (Talking Elephant or some such like) into purchasing the rights from them & putting it out.


I tried that a few months ago, with no response. Prehaps if lots of people e-mailed and asked, we might get somewhere. It also may be worth doing the same at FC's end.


Well I'm game!  Have you got the email address to hand, Ollie?

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on October 15, 2007, 10:14:23 AM




Your best bet is to talk another company (Talking Elephant or some such like) into purchasing the rights from them & putting it out.


I tried that a few months ago, with no response. Prehaps if lots of people e-mailed and asked, we might get somewhere. It also may be worth doing the same at FC's end.


Well I'm game!  Have you got the email address to hand, Ollie?

Jules


http://www.talkingelephant.co.uk/

There's an email addy bottom left....


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 15, 2007, 10:16:45 AM
Cheers, my man!

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Simon Withers on October 15, 2007, 01:20:40 PM
Oh Golly,

All this potential talk for the possible releasing of the AT2 & The Boot & The Other Boot & The Third Leg material.. If they are to be released again in the future please, please do not make them an limited edition set with extra stuff. I purchased all the aforementioned on Tapes in the 80's and again on CD when woodworm released them thereafter, I'd rather not purchase them again.

At some point in time I intend to sell my three boots, AT2 and my original Airing cupboard Tapes cassette but as I do not know my way around ebay has any one got any real idea as to how much the above is realistically worth? (I know there is a question of how much some one is prepared to pay for an item, but a ball park figure may be useful)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on October 15, 2007, 02:56:34 PM
No need for extra tracks, I just want the releases as they were.  Unless of course AT2 and The Other Boot were expanded to become complete shows.  Surely that would be worth another cash outlay?

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: koho (Koen) on October 15, 2007, 08:03:09 PM
About 2 or 3 years ago, I found exc quality copies of AT2/The Boot and Other Boot/Third Leg - the CD sets that is. I had (have) them myself, but found them at a CD fair for something crazy like 15 Euros each. I then put them on eBay, knowing quite well these were wanted (and I needed some dosh so that was handy). I remember the latter went to $150 or so and the former to a very staggering $300(ish). There were many bidders, not just two against each other. Admittedly based on how high it gets on eBay doesn't really tell you there's a market for a rerelease, but I think there is one. At the time when these came out around 2000/2001 it was said that it was a one off limited release ... and that's an argument against a rerelease, but then again a few years later the bulk of Other Boot/Third Leg popped up as another release (Quiet Joys of Brotherhood I think) ... so what is the initial "promise" of a limited edition worth?
If they do another limited run of 1,000 of AT2/Boot and Other Boot/Leg I assume they'll do many people a favour. That said, I have no idea about the logistics/copyrights involved of course! ...


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on October 15, 2007, 08:24:58 PM

 ... so what is the initial "promise" of a limited edition worth?


I think we all know the answer to that one...  :)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jim on October 15, 2007, 09:10:53 PM
the tracks off the boots/3rd leg have appeared on countless numbers of those ropey cd's which usually have a photo of an early incarnation of the band
if you look on expletive delighted they are all catalogued to the nth degree


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: koho (Koen) on December 12, 2007, 08:16:37 PM
Good grief! The Other Boot/The Third Leg 3CD set on Woodworm went to a record 185 quid just now (US$ 377!) on eBay. The 4CD AT2/The Boot to 78 pounds (US$ 159), by the same (UK-based) seller. Odd that - the latter seems more interesting, given the more recent (part-)repackaging of some of the former. I kept these in my watched-items list just to see how it would go and constantly the bid for AT2/Boot was higher, but in the last seconds Other Boot/Third Leg "won" hands down and ended with that whopping high bid.
So, two Fairport "companion" CD sets went to over US$ 500 altogether. Me, I am off to invent a time machine so I can get back to Cropredy 2000/2001 and buy a truckload of 'em - and not just one each, as I foolishly did back then. I better put my copies in a safe.  


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on December 13, 2007, 09:26:32 AM

Me, I am off to invent a time machine so I can get back to Cropredy 2000/2001 and buy a truckload of 'em - and not just one each, as I foolishly did back then. I better put my copies in a safe.  


Do talkawhilers get discount rates when you return?

 ;)

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Malcolm on May 24, 2016, 08:27:43 PM
Purely altruistically  ;) in case any of you good people are still looking

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201590760238?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on May 24, 2016, 08:52:24 PM
Don't bid too early!

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: GubGub (Al) on May 24, 2016, 09:09:01 PM
It will be interesting to see how much this one goes for in 7 days time.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on June 02, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
Don't spend it all at once, Malcolm  :)  Not a bad price but only about a third of what it went for at its very peak a few years back.  I'm not sure why, but I find that a little interesting....


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 02, 2016, 11:20:52 AM
Sorry, am i being thick -- I followed the link and can't see what we're supposed to be looking at.

I remember trying to buy these -- back when I still cared about new and unusual Fairport stuff. Has anyone heard it? Is it any good?


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 02, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Hey! My Fairport 25th Anniversary boxed set, dating from the days when people din't know what a boxed set was, so it just came out as 4CDs in a box, is worth £60. Mine's near mint, so I could ask for more. If I wanted to sell it, which I don't as I reckon the CDs beat silly remasters.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on June 02, 2016, 02:04:17 PM

Sorry, am i being thick -- I followed the link and can't see what we're supposed to be looking at.  


A copy of AT2/The Boot which just sold for £45 + postage on eBay.

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 02, 2016, 02:14:26 PM

Has anyone heard it? Is it any good?


Yes. And yes.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jim on June 02, 2016, 03:26:54 PM

Hey! My Fairport 25th Anniversary boxed set, dating from the days when people din't know what a boxed set was, so it just came out as 4CDs in a box, is worth £60. Mine's near mint, so I could ask for more. If I wanted to sell it, which I don't as I reckon the CDs beat silly remasters.


is that the one with rosie,babs, 9, and rising?
 


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: davidmjs on June 02, 2016, 05:46:36 PM


Has anyone heard it? Is it any good?


Yes. And yes.


I bought The Boot at my first Cropredy ('84) so I really love it.  A.T.2 I didn't hear til a decade or more later, but it's fab...the Trevor stuff is particularly fine.  Gutted I never saw him live (missed '86 too).


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 03, 2016, 11:15:54 AM


Hey! My Fairport 25th Anniversary boxed set, dating from the days when people din't know what a boxed set was, so it just came out as 4CDs in a box, is worth £60. Mine's near mint, so I could ask for more. If I wanted to sell it, which I don't as I reckon the CDs beat silly remasters.


is that the one with rosie,babs, 9, and rising?
 


It is indeed Jim. It was a sound investment, since at half of it still gets listened to regularly.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 03, 2016, 11:17:58 AM

Purely altruistically  ;) in case any of you good people are still looking

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201590760238?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


Thanks Malcolm, I can see it now. Yes, I rmember trying to get this from Terrapin, I think, but learned, iirc' it was a 'festival only' item.

Well I'd be in, if we could crowdfund a reissue.  ;D ;)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jim on June 03, 2016, 01:59:43 PM



Hey! My Fairport 25th Anniversary boxed set, dating from the days when people din't know what a boxed set was, so it just came out as 4CDs in a box, is worth £60. Mine's near mint, so I could ask for more. If I wanted to sell it, which I don't as I reckon the CDs beat silly remasters.


is that the one with rosie,babs, 9, and rising?
 


It is indeed Jim. It was a sound investment, since at half of it still gets listened to regularly.


I can't imagine why as the cds can be got remastered, with extra tracks. And the box itself was hardly anything special. Although I bought it I always thought it was as poor a way to celebrate 25 years of a band as could be done.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 04, 2016, 10:54:40 AM




Hey! My Fairport 25th Anniversary boxed set, dating from the days when people din't know what a boxed set was, so it just came out as 4CDs in a box, is worth £60. Mine's near mint, so I could ask for more. If I wanted to sell it, which I don't as I reckon the CDs beat silly remasters.


is that the one with rosie,babs, 9, and rising?
 


It is indeed Jim. It was a sound investment, since at least half of it still gets listened to regularly.


I can't imagine why as the cds can be got remastered, with extra tracks. And the box itself was hardly anything special. Although I bought it I always thought it was as poor a way to celebrate 25 years of a band as could be done.


Yes, I know, it's not really a boxed set at all. I just think sonically the CDs are as good as anything thereafter,  and have served me well.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 04, 2016, 11:13:09 AM





Hey! My Fairport 25th Anniversary boxed set, dating from the days when people din't know what a boxed set was, so it just came out as 4CDs in a box, is worth £60. Mine's near mint, so I could ask for more. If I wanted to sell it, which I don't as I reckon the CDs beat silly remasters.


is that the one with rosie,babs, 9, and rising?
 


It is indeed Jim. It was a sound investment, since at least half of it still gets listened to regularly.


I can't imagine why as the cds can be got remastered, with extra tracks. And the box itself was hardly anything special. Although I bought it I always thought it was as poor a way to celebrate 25 years of a band as could be done.


Yes, I know, it's not really a boxed set at all. I just think sonically the CDs are as good as anything thereafter,  and have served me well.


Yes they are still the copies of Angel Delight, Rosie & Nine that I use (though I don't listen to Rosie often). Admittedly I did upgrade Babbacombe Lee to the remaster because it split up the individual tracks and Rising For The Moon to the recent(ish) two disc edition.

From what I recall of this box, it was primarily a way of sweeping the Fairport Island albums that had not been in print on CD up to that point.


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Simon Withers on June 05, 2016, 10:02:35 AM
...this reminds me...my four CDs  (25th anniversary set)  all succumbed to a CD blight...or was it called CD cancer at some point -the printing eats into the disks and rendered mine unplayable...does any one else remember this problem...I still have the box...


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 05, 2016, 10:18:01 AM

Watched the "Forever Young" video last night, from AT2. A wonderful document of a fab Cropredy. It would be great if these early Vidotech / Musicfolk videos had a(n expanded) digital release.  :)  


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 05, 2016, 11:24:02 AM

...this reminds me...my four CDs  (25th anniversary set)  all succumbed to a CD blight...or was it called CD cancer at some point -the printing eats into the disks and rendered mine unplayable...does any one else remember this problem...I still have the box...


Yes. I have had that problem with a number of Island & Polygram CDs from that period. It was a particular pressing plant that was responsible. My Bonny Bunch of Roses/Tipplers Tales twofer went that way. Last I looked, Angel Delight was suffering from teabagging but still played as was Babbacombe Lee (from the box). I Want To See The Bright Lights similarly so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_bronzing


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 05, 2016, 12:11:23 PM

...this reminds me...my four CDs  (25th anniversary set)  all succumbed to a CD blight...or was it called CD cancer at some point -the printing eats into the disks and rendered mine unplayable...does any one else remember this problem...I still have the box...


I had a handful of discs that did this. It's known as 'disc rot' or 'bronzing'. Google it. Many were made by PDO in the early 90s, and the company replaced them on request for a few years. I was lucky, and got mine replaced, but some people are still stuck with them.

Sorry Al, see you posted on this too.  :)


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Jules Gray on June 05, 2016, 01:11:38 PM

Yes. I have had that problem with a number of Island & Polygram CDs from that period. It was a particular pressing plant that was responsible. My Bonny Bunch of Roses/Tipplers Tales twofer went that way. Last I looked, Angel Delight was suffering from teabagging but still played as was Babbacombe Lee (from the box). I Want To See The Bright Lights similarly so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_bronzing


I've heard of 'disc rot', but 'teabagging'?!

Jules


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: bassline (Mike) on June 05, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Warning: DON'T Google teabagging.

This has been mentioned on here before.



(Google crashes while hundreds of TAWers Google teabagging)......tea-staining is the term, I think.

 ;D  ;)


Edit : Having never been teabagged or indeed, teabagged anyone else, I'm not sure if you can suffer from it....


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 05, 2016, 02:13:50 PM


Yes. I have had that problem with a number of Island & Polygram CDs from that period. It was a particular pressing plant that was responsible. My Bonny Bunch of Roses/Tipplers Tales twofer went that way. Last I looked, Angel Delight was suffering from teabagging but still played as was Babbacombe Lee (from the box). I Want To See The Bright Lights similarly so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_bronzing


I've heard of 'disc rot', but 'teabagging'?!

Jules


It is the same as bronzing. Or was 25 years ago but the term seems to have been usurped as Mike has pointed out!  :-[


Title: Re: AT2 / The Boot on CD
Post by: Alan2 on June 05, 2016, 03:41:45 PM
I led a sheltered life till I came onto this forum and found out the word 'teabagging' and what it means. ;D