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Title: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Paolo on April 11, 2008, 07:42:18 PM Dear friends, today I carefully listened to Bright Phoebus, the beautiful 1971 album by La and Mike Waterson. RT plays acoustic guitar in most of tunes. Well, what I noticed is that some slow, haunting songs from that album (above all Lal Waterson's compositions) sounds like an anticipation of "future" RT self penned songs style. Also remarkable is RT acoustic guitar notes also have a "Pour Down Like Silver" flavour.
Then I fancy if RT was influenced, consciously or not, but maybe deeply, by his colalboration to that album - in my opinion, a gem from weird folk years neglected by many. all the best Paolo Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: PLW (Peter) on April 16, 2008, 08:47:15 PM Bright Phoebus is a hugely influential album. Its songs quite often turn up in other contexts, including Mole in a Hole, which RandLT recorded on Hokey Pokey.
Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Bob Barrows on April 16, 2008, 09:00:18 PM Bright Phoebus is a hugely influential album. Its songs quite often turn up in other contexts, including Mole in a Hole, which RandLT recorded on Hokey Pokey. Yes, it was written by Mike Waterson ... ah, I think I see what you are saying: RT learned it from Mike during the BP sessions, so there was a BP connection even though the song did not appear on BP. Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: PLW (Peter) on April 16, 2008, 09:13:10 PM Bright Phoebus is a hugely influential album. Its songs quite often turn up in other contexts, including Mole in a Hole, which RandLT recorded on Hokey Pokey. Yes, it was written by Mike Waterson ... ah, I think I see what you are saying: RT learned it from Mike during the BP sessions, so there was a BP connection even though the song did not appear on BP. You're quite right of course. I was making it up. Funny thing, the memory, isn't it. I expect it'll be on there as a bonus track when the CD release comes out. Remarkable album though. Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Ollie on April 16, 2008, 09:17:21 PM Bright Phoebus is a hugely influential album. Its songs quite often turn up in other contexts, including Mole in a Hole, which RandLT recorded on Hokey Pokey. Yes, it was written by Mike Waterson ... ah, I think I see what you are saying: RT learned it from Mike during the BP sessions, so there was a BP connection even though the song did not appear on BP. You're quite right of course. I was making it up. Funny thing, the memory, isn't it. I expect it'll be on there as a bonus track when the CD release comes out. Remarkable album though. Shouldn't that be if the CD comes out. ??? Or have I missed something (I really hope I have...) Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Andy on April 17, 2008, 12:00:17 AM Not exactly sure what you have missed, Ollie, but BP is definitely available as a CD. See here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bright-Phoebus-Mike-Lal-Waterson/dp/B0000549C1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208386725&sr=8-1).
No bonus track tho', that I'm aware of. Also, my copy says 1972, Paulo, not 1971. But maybe there were two versions or summat? Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Thor-Rune on April 17, 2008, 07:50:59 AM Not exactly sure what you have missed, Ollie, but BP is definitely available as a CD. See here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bright-Phoebus-Mike-Lal-Waterson/dp/B0000549C1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208386725&sr=8-1). No bonus track tho', that I'm aware of. Also, my copy says 1972, Paulo, not 1971. But maybe there were two versions or summat? Definitely no bonus trax. The CD was released on the Leader label in 2000. T-R Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: PLW (Peter) on April 17, 2008, 01:48:01 PM Not exactly sure what you have missed, Ollie, but BP is definitely available as a CD. See here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bright-Phoebus-Mike-Lal-Waterson/dp/B0000549C1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208386725&sr=8-1). No bonus track tho', that I'm aware of. Er, my CD comment was a little joke. Building on my earlier mistake. Oh, never mind. I'll get my anorak. Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Cocker Freeman on April 17, 2008, 02:50:31 PM Sometimes people just don't understand, PLW.
Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Paolo on April 17, 2008, 03:19:43 PM [my copy says 1972, Paulo, not 1971]
Yes, it's 1972, my dialing mistake. Best Paolo Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Ollie on April 17, 2008, 10:47:57 PM Sorry, I was under the impression that there was some argument over its release - something to do with some guy having the tapes and not releasing them. I dunno. I may have to get copy of this... ;)
Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Andy on April 17, 2008, 11:20:34 PM The Radio 4 Programme "Lost Albums" sheds some light on this - contact me if you'd like a listen.
Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Anne Dunn on April 18, 2008, 10:55:22 AM Sorry, I was under the impression that there was some argument over its release - something to do with some guy having the tapes and not releasing them. I dunno. I may have to get copy of this... ;) Ollie you are right. This is very controversial, and apparently the CD copy which is out at the moment does not pay royalties to the artists. It's a very complicated story and has been debated endlesslessly over at Mudcat. Go and have a read if you want to lose the will to live. Certain artists e.g. Nic Jones are losing out on lots of money because their old recordings are locked away and the owner won't release them. Title: Re: Bright Phoebus influence on Richard Thompson Post by: Rory. on April 18, 2008, 09:04:32 PM My only concern over what has been written here is the word 'controversial' - I'm not sure there is any real debate over what has happend.
If anyone looks up the mudcat threads on the Nic Jones stuff, you might also be interested in what Dick Gaughan has to say there about the fact his earliest albums are subject to the same 'non -release' and royalty issue - you can buy a few of these albums (including the Five Hand Reel stuff) but not one penny goes to the artists who made the records. |