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Morning, Jude.

The only exposure I've had to this duo is of course the wonderful Morning Way album, which is filled with so many deft touches, including the delightful interludes as well as the great arrangements which seemed to involve more instruments than two people could play at one time :) In fact, I see from the credits that a couple chaps named Ray Elliott and John Godfrey provided some of that extra instrumentation on the album.

So my question is: in the typical Trader Horne gig, was any attempt made to reproduce the sound of the album? If so, how? Extra musicians (who were they)? Tapes? Combination of the two?

Or were they "unplugged" performances of the songs, just the two of you doing the songs rearranged for two people?

For a long time it was just Jack and me, with acoustic and electric  guitars and flute (Jack) and me with my electric autoharp..

A bit later we added a bass player and one other musician who played with us at various gigs, the bass (double bass) player went by the name of Ian Gumblefinger (not his real name!) but the other guy's name escapes me, and I also can't remember whether he was a drummer or keyboard player.

That's terrible isn't it?  :-[

It's probably in one of the TH interviews somewhere, I'll try and find out...

The album was recorded between these two lineups, Ray Elliott was a friend of Jack and had played wiith him in various of his bands, most particularly in 'Them', John Godfrey went on to play in Mungo Jerry and Alan White who played drums on the album was an excellent session man and I'm not sure whether he was the same Alan White who went on to play for all these people

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Alan_White.html

but I have a feeling that it was the same man.. 8)

So my answer is really that we didn't(couldn't!) reproduce the album sound, so were more acoustic at gigs.. :D

I'm satisfied with that answer Jude. Don't put yourself out ... unless you find you just have to remember that name, of course ...  ;D

Well it was annoying me that I couldn't remember so I looked out an old interview (good grief I didn't half witter on in those days..) and...

Hugh Thomas played acoustic guitar (and I think he drove the van as well!) and Ian played double bass and zylophone (!)

There that must have been an odd lineup... ::)

Is that a bit like a xylophone, Jude?

 ;)

Jules

Do you know what? I do believe you're right.

But in my band we always spelt it with a z.

That's a lie ;D

 ;D ;D a very quick and excellent lie, though, Jude

(I like it, although I know it's wrong to lie)

xero points for lying  :)

Actually I was just testing you all ::)

Quickly deflecting attention from spelling to--er, history?  Meaning, my (not very musical) question is, what is the origin of the name Trader Horne?  I knew several older people in my youth whose surnames were Horne and who were nicknamed Trader--I even remember John Peel saying that his nanny was nicknamed Trader Horne!  Does it refer to some historical personage or something, do you know, Jude?  Is this something I will feel embarrassed for not having known?

Excellent question Aquamarine ... i was wondering that myself  :D

here are some trader horne links/ jude stuff incase you haven't already seen them:

http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-with-judy-dyble-of-fairport-convention

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2219

http://http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=354735784

nice review and remastered morning way:
http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/Morning-Way-Remastered-Trader-Horne/dp/B000050XN4

trader horne track apearances:
http://http://www.discogs.com/artist/Trader+Horne

Right well firstly there was this explorer Alfred Aloysius Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trader_Horn

Secondly there was John Peel's nanny whose surname was 'Horne' and John's father jokingly called her 'Trader' Horne

Thirdly there was Jack and I desperately looking for a name, John had very kindly bought my electric autoharp for me and Jack and I were talking to John and he suggested we call ourselves after his nanny.

I know - daft reason for a name, but it worked and it stuck.. very simple explanation really.

Oh there was also a baseball player called Berlyn Dale Horne also called 'Trader'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trader_Horne

 ;D

Best explanation I could have hoped for--there actually was a link with John!  (My hero.)  Many thanks for that, and thanks to Sam for the great links, too.  :D

Didn't Pete Sears (later Rod Stewart, Copperhead, Jefferson Starship, Hot Tuna, currently Moonalice) play bass/keyboards with Trader Horne at some point...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Sears

To add a little more colour...

I shared a flat with Martin Quittenton and his girlfriend, Martin was playing and writing with Rod Stewart along with Pete.
Pete lived in the same flat as Jackie McAuley and thus we three formed the beginnings of Trader Horne. Pete left and went to America to join up with Leigh Stevens in Silver Metre while Jack and I continued with Trader Horne.

I am still in touch with Pete who is a lovely man. He lives in the US but comes back to England occasionally and one day we will have a cup of tea and a proper natter. ;D

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Penguin-Books-No-126-1st-ed-1938-Trader-Horne_W0QQitemZ320323294522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Books_UK?hash=item320323294522&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Someone gave me a copy of that...I really must read it... ::) :-[

Ethelreda.  Great name.  The world would be a better place with more Ethelreda's in it, I reckon....

I rather liked the "...very slight air tanning to spine"... Sounds like a good day on the beach rather than a book condition...