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Title: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Steve with the black dog on January 27, 2010, 09:52:31 PM
Am I the only one who would prefer Matty Groves when played live to start as it starts on L&L rather than the increasingly familiar morphing into it from something else?  

So this is my campaign to persuade the lads to play it straight at the wintour this year.  Please?


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 27, 2010, 11:07:10 PM
I kind of agree that it would make a pleasant change to hear it played as it was originally meant to be.. just occasionally!!


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: johnnysaint (John) on January 27, 2010, 11:21:28 PM
You're right Steve ;)

Cheers
johnnysaint


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: John From Austin on January 27, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Sorry, you had to go to the Barbican show last July to get a straight Matty.   :)


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Dave B on January 28, 2010, 12:50:07 AM
Perhaps they should play it as an opening number and get it over with.....


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Greg on January 28, 2010, 07:30:21 AM
To be honest (ducks for cover) I prefer the way it is now to the original, at least from a live perspective.  I like having a bit of a build up.  Might be nice to have a reworked intro I suppose, just try something different.  But I do like the build up of the intro, knowing that THE riff is coming.

Actually the version from a few tours back where it came straight out of Hawkwood's Army (consequently with Simon on electric) was most fine.  Something like that would do me just fine.  :)


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: davidmjs on January 28, 2010, 07:39:34 AM

Sorry, you had to go to the Barbican show last July to get a straight Matty.   :)


And wasn't it a joy....  :)

I'll admit I loved the 'metal' Matty in the 80's / early 90's...at least I did the first couple of times I heard it.  As in so many of these things though, familiarity breeds, well not contempt, but slight indifference.  MotL seems to be one of my few exceptions to this 'rule'....whatever they do to it (that 80s single version, anyone) it still manages to emerge (virtually) unscathed....


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: greglin (Gregg) on January 28, 2010, 07:43:28 AM


I like the live variations - mostly - it's always there on CD if I want the original, but to see/ hear a different version for 10 minutes or so is usually entertaining - anyway, we watch the film footage with great enjoyment at Cropredy.

One of these days I'm going to put all the versions I have of MG on one CD.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: ThomA on January 28, 2010, 08:41:07 AM



One of these days I'm going to put all the versions I have of MG on one CD.


As a stopgap, there's the Matty Groves megamix on the Fairport Unconventional box set...

I quite like the version from the late 80s/ early 90s (I think) which had some sort of heavy metal-ish guitar intro (presumably played by Maart) (edit: it's on the Cropredy to Portmeirion CD).  The reggae version I can live without...


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: FionaS on January 28, 2010, 01:05:50 PM
Not a total purist - I like what Maart did to it and I like seeing things evolve.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: GubGub (Al) on January 28, 2010, 03:26:14 PM


MotL seems to be one of my few exceptions to this 'rule'....whatever they do to it (that 80s single version, anyone)


That was actually the first version I heard and consequently (and I realise this is heresy) it is my favourite. Still pretty much the way they play it live and as a song it only really achieved its current status in the band's repertoire after they re-formed in the 80s. The same goes for Matty actually which had previously often been played, if at all, much earlier in the set.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: ThomA on January 28, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
Is this '80s version' of MOtL the one on In Real Time?


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Jules Gray on January 28, 2010, 03:31:07 PM



Sometimes, Gub, you say it best when you say nothing at all.

 ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: KascadeDan on January 28, 2010, 03:35:54 PM
I'd personally like to hear them interpret the song differently each time.

I know that some day they will have to do Matty Groves in a Dengie hip-hop style....


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 28, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
Oh God I bloody hope not!!  :o :-X


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Ollie on January 28, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
I personally find, compared to other versions, the original a bit too ploddy and it tends to drag. However, it would be nice to have a different version from the one that has trod the boards for the last few years. I don't really mind what it sounds like, as long as Simon gets the Strat out! (or even the Rickenbacker....ooooooooooh!  :o)


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: greglin (Gregg) on January 28, 2010, 06:24:09 PM

I'd personally like to hear them interpret the song differently each time.

I know that some day they will have to do Matty Groves in a Dengie hip-hop style....



Hmm - not sure about hip hop - but could live with a retro grunge version.............


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: MarkC on January 29, 2010, 03:38:56 AM
The weirder the arrangements, the more I like it. The "original" (if one can call a traditional song that) doesn't do much for me and never has. So far, my favorite is the "metal" version when Maart was in the band.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: bassline (Mike) on January 29, 2010, 05:23:44 AM
The best version fer sure - the best recording being tof it he Shepherd's Bush radio broadcast one.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: GubGub (Al) on January 29, 2010, 02:56:40 PM

Quote from: GubGub link=topic=34019.msg485942#ms

g485942 date=1264692374



Sometimes, Gub, you say it best when you say nothing at all.

 ;D

Jules


Somehow I seem to have quoted myself before i had actually said anything!


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: davidmjs on January 29, 2010, 02:59:56 PM

The best version fer sure - the best recording being tof it he Shepherd's Bush radio broadcast one.


from when is that...presume Maart era?


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on January 29, 2010, 03:02:23 PM
I prefer the Maart-era Matty.

But as that won't happen I'd settle for something new. Hip hop, punk I don't really mind as long as it doesn't go on for too long.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Jules Gray on January 29, 2010, 03:28:11 PM
For me, they've never beaten the 1969 arrangement.  And seeing the band do it that was on the Friday at the 2007 Cropredy was pure magic for me.

Jules


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: bassline (Mike) on January 29, 2010, 03:35:00 PM
Shepherd's Bush version was Feb 12 1995 - very Maart era - some b*****gs list it as Jan 22 (which is my birthday, I was a bit peed off to find it wasn't from that date).


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 29, 2010, 04:41:36 PM
The 25th Anniversary concert one is pretty powerful.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: MarkC on January 29, 2010, 04:44:13 PM
I also like the "Farewell, Farewell" version a lot...mostly for "Orange Blossom Special." Actually, that entire record is one of my favorites.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 29, 2010, 06:40:36 PM
I love that one too.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: ollythedolly on January 30, 2010, 09:30:43 AM

The 25th Anniversary concert one is pretty powerful.

Isn't the Metal Matty?


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Smithsinarazz on January 30, 2010, 10:31:07 AM


I'd personally like to hear them interpret the song differently each time.

I know that some day they will have to do Matty Groves in a Dengie hip-hop style....



Hmm - not sure about hip hop - but could live with a retro grunge version.............


Gangsta rap's the way forward. And the screen animation could feature Lady Whatsername as the beeyatch of the local Mr Big. REferring to fine beaten swords as opposed to sawn-off shotguns might be a hurdle but Baz Luhrmann dealt with it ok in Romeo and Juliet.  


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: AngieH on January 30, 2010, 11:23:26 AM
Story from Swarb, many years ago.  Part way through MG, Simon whispered to him "Have they had the fight yet?"
And yes, Simon was singing lead vocal.


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on January 30, 2010, 11:44:11 AM
I love the way it evolves! Keep it up, lads!


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Steve with the black dog on January 30, 2010, 11:59:51 PM
A little bird told me my wish may have come true on Friday night, but who knows what will be on offer next Friday when I see them at Leamington ;)


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Chris on February 01, 2010, 09:28:39 AM
A straight Matty was had at Tewkesbury....


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Jim on February 01, 2010, 09:36:43 AM

A straight Matty was had at Tewkesbury....


i never thought his orentation was in question ::)


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Pat Helms on February 02, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
How about Fanfare For The Common Man as a tasteful introit........w/ Peggy reciting the Gettysburg address?


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: StephenGiles on February 02, 2010, 06:29:02 PM

I'd personally like to hear them interpret the song differently each time.

I know that some day they will have to do Matty Groves in a Dengie hip-hop style....


What is hip hop, nobody seems to have the answer??


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Neil on February 02, 2010, 07:14:25 PM


I'd personally like to hear them interpret the song differently each time.

I know that some day they will have to do Matty Groves in a Dengie hip-hop style....


What is hip hop, nobody seems to have the answer??


it is a form of Morris dancing


Title: Re: Matty Groves without the reggae reggae
Post by: Hurricane (Dan) on February 02, 2010, 07:41:27 PM

How about Fanfare For The Common Man as a tasteful introit........w/ Peggy reciting the Gettysburg address?

You mean 12 Acacia Avenue, Gettysburg?