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Title: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Mr Cat (Lewis) on February 25, 2011, 10:11:05 PM
Vote For Songs On Sandy Denny Single
mdome / News / 25/02/2011 18:13pm   Sandy Denny is to have a limited edition seven inch single released for Record Store Day.
This will be kept to1000 copies and issued on April 16. Both tracks will come from the mammoth new 19-CD box set of previously unreleased recordings. However, Island Records and the late singer’s estate want the fans to decide which two tracks are to be used. Here’s the choice:

I’m a Dreamer (home demo) – Disc 19  track 17

Lord Bateman (studio demo) – Disc 15 track 6

Whispering Grass (studio demo) – Disc 16 track 12

No End (demo) – Disc 15 track 15

Banks of the Nile (demo) – Disc 15 track 5

Who Knows Where The Time Goes (firstt demo) – Disc 12 track 25

You can find the official fan page to vote by searching for Sandy Denny on Facebook.



Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on February 26, 2011, 11:28:04 AM

I’m a Dreamer (home demo) – Disc 19  track 17

Lord Bateman (studio demo) – Disc 15 track 6

Whispering Grass (studio demo) – Disc 16 track 12

No End (demo) – Disc 15 track 15

Banks of the Nile (demo) – Disc 15 track 5

Who Knows Where The Time Goes (firstt demo) – Disc 12 track 25


None of those screams A side to me.  Lord Bateman would be a cool flipside, as long as they can keep vinyl background noise to a minimum.

Jules


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: John From Austin on February 28, 2011, 05:22:13 AM
I'm a Dreamer.

It's on the fast track to being my favorite all-time SD song, particularly in versions without prominent strings, even though she rhymes "bookie" with "Kentucky."

Backed with the wonderful early demo of WKWTTG.  It's her best known song and should be on the single for that reason alone.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: jaypeter (Peter) on February 28, 2011, 06:59:19 AM

It's on the fast track to being my favorite all-time SD song, particularly in versions without prominent strings, even though she rhymes "bookie" with "Kentucky."
Unusual in a Wimbledon lass, but natural in large parts of England.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on February 28, 2011, 09:07:36 AM

even though she rhymes "bookie" with "Kentucky."


I think that's an inspired rhyme myself.

Jules


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: H (Heather Smith) on February 28, 2011, 10:37:00 AM

It's on the fast track to being my favorite all-time SD song, particularly in versions without prominent strings, even though she rhymes "bookie" with "Kentucky."


Rhymes to my ears, in my accent...


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: jaypeter (Peter) on February 28, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
Unless we are looking at it from the wrong angle, and she pronounces "bookie" with a southern "U" sound. As in "Lor luvaduck Murry Poopins"


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Philip W on February 28, 2011, 10:45:48 AM


even though she rhymes "bookie" with "Kentucky."


I think that's an inspired rhyme myself.

Jules


What always bothered me in that verse wasn't the (half-)rhyme but the use of the same phrasal verb ("put on") in two successive lines. I think this must have bothered Linda Thompson too, since in her version she changes it:

I put a bet on with a bookie
For a race they run over in Kentucky


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on February 28, 2011, 10:57:10 AM

Unless we are looking at it from the wrong angle, and she pronounces "bookie" with a southern "U" sound. As in "Lor luvaduck Murry Poopins"


I'm really struggling to hear in my head a pronunciation of 'bookie' that doesn't rhyme with 'Kentucky'!

Jules


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: PaulT on February 28, 2011, 01:39:15 PM
Ladbrokes.

Sorted.

 ;)


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Pat Helms on February 28, 2011, 03:42:07 PM
No End is my choice from the selection.  Its the best example of her more cinematic narrative approach (It Suits Me Well being another good example).  Her most powerful form, IMO.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on February 28, 2011, 05:43:26 PM


Unless we are looking at it from the wrong angle, and she pronounces "bookie" with a southern "U" sound. As in "Lor luvaduck Murry Poopins"


I'm really struggling to hear in my head a pronunciation of 'bookie' that doesn't rhyme with 'Kentucky'!

Jules


A Welsh one!


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: John From Austin on February 28, 2011, 06:29:30 PM
I'm really struggling to hear in my head a pronunciation of 'bookie' that doesn't rhyme with 'Kentucky'!

Jules


In most parts of Merka, "bookie" rhymes with "cookie" and "Kentuck[y]" rhymes with the word Melissa Leo dropped at the Oscars last night.

I am also reminded that James Doohan (a Canadian) intentionally pronounced the word "Vulcan" so it would sound like "fookin'."




Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: H (Heather Smith) on February 28, 2011, 06:53:02 PM

I'm really struggling to hear in my head a pronunciation of 'bookie' that doesn't rhyme with 'Kentucky'!

Jules


In most parts of Merka, "bookie" rhymes with "cookie" and "Kentuck[y]" rhymes with the word Melissa Leo dropped at the Oscars last night.

I am also reminded that James Doohan (a Canadian) intentionally pronounced the word "Vulcan" so it would sound like "fookin'."





In my accent all those words rhyme! Err, except Vulcan.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on February 28, 2011, 07:14:16 PM

In most parts of Merka, "bookie" rhymes with "cookie" and "Kentuck[y]" rhymes with the word Melissa Leo dropped at the Oscars last night.


I'm now trying to do my best American accent, and bookie and Kentucky still rhyme.  Oh dear.

Jules


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Bob Barrows on February 28, 2011, 07:52:53 PM
In most parts of Merka, "bookie" rhymes with "cookie" and "Kentuck[y]" rhymes with the word Melissa Leo dropped at the Oscars last night.

I'm now trying to do my best American accent, and bookie and Kentucky still rhyme.  Oh dear.

Jules
"Luck" rhymes with "look"? Not in any American accent I've ever heard. You're an Elvis fan, right? Go listen to your Blue Moon of Kentucky record and then get back to me  ;D

Better yet, listen to the Everlys singing Kentucky or Bowling Green - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-QLh1OKVMg


Edit: I just listened to Sandy again and even she pronounces those syllables differently ...


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: John From Austin on February 28, 2011, 08:30:17 PM
Kentuck[y], luck, muck, f**k, struck, amok, pick-up truck

I'm going to be accused of wandering off topic, so I'll again vote for I'm a Dreamer backed with WKWTTG for Sandy's latest vinyl single.  And Sandy does pronounce Kentucky with a lovely quasi-American accent, which is why it doesn't really rhyme with bookie when she sings it...


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on March 01, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
Aarggh!  I still can't hear the difference between the 'ook' in bookie and the 'uck' in Kentucky....and I'm an ex linguistics student!   :-[

Jules


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Pat Helms on March 02, 2011, 02:02:40 PM
I never considered it a serious struggle for a rhyme, myself.  

Ken-too-cky wouldn't happen anywhere in the States - not even Minnesota!  ;)


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jim on March 02, 2011, 02:29:24 PM

Aarggh!  I still can't hear the difference between the 'ook' in bookie and the 'uck' in Kentucky....and I'm an ex linguistics student!   :-[

Jules


yes Jules but you're  a SOUTHERN ex linguini student
its Bookie as in BOO key    not BUCKy


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on March 02, 2011, 03:14:22 PM

yes Jules but you're  a SOUTHERN ex linguini student
its Bookie as in BOO key    not BUCKy


Southern?  Dad from Manchester, mum from Wigan, born in Darlington, raised in North Yorkshire, lived 22 years in Birmingham before moving here.  Southern?!?!

Besides which the Lancastrian pronunciation of 'bookie' is notoriously out on its own limb.  Lovely, but daft.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 02, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
I'd say it rhymed, even if she sang about putting a bet on a race in Newmarket!   ;)


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: hurdygurdyman (Paul) on March 02, 2011, 07:09:01 PM
Indeed, my Lancastrian grannie would have pronounced "bookie" as booh-kee. She never mentioned Kentucky but I think she would have rhymed it with lucky.  Nevertheless, I'm A Dreamer would get my vote - you just press play and drift away and then there's that awesome guitar solo.  Inspiring stuff and good for guilty day-dreamers.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jim on March 02, 2011, 09:07:09 PM


yes Jules but you're  a SOUTHERN ex linguini student
its Bookie as in BOO key    not BUCKy


Southern?  Dad from Manchester, mum from Wigan, born in Darlington, raised in North Yorkshire, lived 22 years in Birmingham before moving here.  Southern?!?!

Besides which the Lancastrian pronunciation of 'bookie' is notoriously out on its own limb.  Lovely, but daft.   ;)

Jules


youre credentials are impeccable Jules, speaking as one from west cumberland you are every inch a southern gent ::)


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jules Gray on March 02, 2011, 09:13:49 PM

youre credentials are impeccable Jules, speaking as one from west cumberland you are every inch a southern gent ::)


It's all relative.

Professor Einstein


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Philip W on March 06, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
Result of listener poll:

'I’m A Dreamer (second demo)' and 'Who Knows Where the Time Goes (first demo)' will be on the 7” single available at your local independent record store on 16th April 2011.
http://www.sandydennyofficial.com/news/


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Ian W. on March 06, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
At the risk of sounding grumpy, I wonder...

A) How many of us will try to order this to be told 'they are out of stock to order' ?
and...

B) How many copies will be on eBay by the end of that week ?


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 07, 2011, 03:21:59 PM

At the risk of sounding grumpy, I wonder...

A) How many of us will try to order this to be told 'they are out of stock to order' ?
and...

B) How many copies will be on eBay by the end of that week ?



Cor, you sound grumpy!!  ;)


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on March 07, 2011, 03:32:47 PM

How many of us will try to order this to be told 'they are out of stock to order' ?


I think the idea of Record Store Day is that it gets people to physically visit a record shop rather than 'order' things. After that, of course, I imagine that yes, most of them will be on eBay.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Kurt on April 10, 2011, 01:08:41 AM
If anybody from the U.K. happens to go to a Record Store on RSD and isn't going to buy a copy of the Sandy single for themselves,can ya buy me one and I'll pay ya for it?I can pay via paypal if that's ok....I have to work and I know I won't find it here.... :'(
I can pay you for your time and troubles if your able to do this for me....


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Big Dave on April 12, 2011, 11:40:21 PM
1st I’m a Dreamer (home demo) – Disc 19  track 17

Lord Bateman (studio demo) – Disc 15 track 6

Whispering Grass (studio demo) – Disc 16 track 12

No End (demo) – Disc 15 track 15

Banks of the Nile (demo) – Disc 15 track 5

2nd (sorry Simon) Who Knows Where The Time Goes (firstt demo) – Disc 12 track 25

And shouldn't Solo be included in this list?


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Ian W. on April 13, 2011, 10:56:52 PM
I wonder how much those old-fangled singles cost these days ?

It's likely to stay mint for a while, too, I don't have a turntable.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Kurt on April 17, 2011, 03:16:14 AM
Anybody score an extra copy?


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 17, 2011, 09:04:59 AM

Anybody score an extra copy?


Alas, sales were restricted to one copy per customer.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Dad Volt on April 17, 2011, 11:02:56 AM
As it happens my other vinyl purchase of the day also has a tenuous FC link. The B-side of Kort's (Kurt Wagner& Cortney Tidwell) version of Please don't touch is a cover of Time wil show the wiser. Haven't got round to listening to it yet though.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Jim on April 17, 2011, 12:51:18 PM

Anybody score an extra copy?


why score the disc? it would be unplayable


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Albie on April 17, 2011, 02:18:04 PM


Anybody score an extra copy?


why score the disc? it would be unplayable


Good one.  :D


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Ian W. on April 17, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
They'd sold out at both the record shops in Leeds before I got there at 9.30.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Kurt on April 18, 2011, 04:49:08 AM
Off to ebay to shell out $40 for a copy...


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Alan2 on April 30, 2011, 08:46:30 AM
Hi . I'm new to these boards. I stood in a queue for an hour and got a copy. It's sublime-  unlike lots of ltd. 7" singles, it's a very quiet pressing, and the packaging is nice, too. I could have hied me off to another record shop and bought another, (sometimes get 2 of something as rare as this) but decided, in a rush of public spirit, to leave io for another fan.


Title: Re: Sandy Denny single..
Post by: Kurt on April 30, 2011, 11:03:27 PM
Copies are still available here for cheap...
http://www.rise-music.co.uk/browse.php?campaign=IRSD&item=223877