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Hi all. New to the board and wanted to see if anyone would happen to have any knowledge of the following:

1). There was some great stuff from Peggy's Woodworm Archives that was released on Talking Elephant but it's been quite some time since anything has surfaced. Is this project DOA, or would someone know if anything is forthcoming?

2). Scrum-Half Bricking - I've heard snippets of this and it seems like quite a good show. Would anyone know if this is still available anywhere?

3). Has the performance of Liege & Lief from Cropredy in 2007 been released officially on CD or DVD?

4). I was fortunate to grab copies of AT2/The Boot and The Other Boot/The Third Leg when they were released by Woodworm. Unfortunately, I lost CD2 from The Other Boot/Third Leg during a move and wish to replace it. Has anyone heard if these may be reissued being that it's now 10-years on?

5). Lastly, with the release of the Live at the BBC box set and the Maidstone 1970 DVD/CD, has all of the available material from the Full House line-up been made available?

Cheers for any help and info.

Hi Robert

1) DOA

2) You see it on eBay now and again

3) No, but it's readily available in all the usual places

4) Nope, for the same reasons as 1) but someone here may be able to help?

5) One can but pray for something else, but I doubt it...  :)

Hi David,
Many thanks for the reply. Looks like I'll have to pick-up a copy of The Quiet Joys of Brotherhood on Amazon. It appears that I can salvage 6 of the 8 tracks lost with the misplacement of CD2 of The Other Boot/The Third Leg. With all of the compilations in the marketplace rehashing so much of the Woodworm era recordings, it genuinely boggles that the '82 & '87 Cropredy stuff has yet to be released in its entirety.
Cheers,
RL

There's the Pop 2 show from French TV which still exists. 30 mins (Dirty Linen/Sloth/Journeyman's Grace) recorded at the Taverne de l'Olympia in Paris and broadcast in December 1970. It was on YouTube for a while but seems to have disappeared - would make an excellent DVD release together with the Baton Rouge footage from '68.

Indeed it would - absolutely superb footage.

Jules

THere's also some interview foorage on You Tube right now of the Full House line-up (maybe relaxing at the Angel?)

Sadly, I've never seen the French TV footage. Is the Baton Rouge footage also from a television broadcast or was it from tape archives?

It's actually 'Bouton Rouge' footage, from a French television show recorded in Paris in 1968.

Excerpts from it have been used on various FC videos and a snippet was used on 'Folk Britannia'

The three songs are on youtube. In black and white. :)

Yes, Bouton Rouge of course, I was getting confused with the city in Louisiana. It's an age thing  ::)

I'm assuming there might be something in the pipeline regarding the colour footage?

I think you can buy a download of the full programme (5 December 1970) that includes the Fairport footage direct from the French TV station if you can work out how to navigate their website.  

www.ina.fr

It's also quite easily available on the net if you dig around, although the most common version in circulation is black and white rather than the original colour.

That's interesting!  How much money are we talking?

Jules

Removed reference to a bootleg site.

Please remember that we do not promote the trading/selling of illegal recordings on this board.

Thanks

Barry
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Thanks Jude & Col D, I appreciate the info and the correction! I was thinking Louisiana as well. I'll check YouTube.

I'm not sure, I've never tried myself as the site is pretty difficult to understand and find your way around - even the version in English - but a friend of mine traded with a guy who had bought masses of stuff from there. However a lot of what I've seen is black and white, which I think may have something to do with the conflict between the French SECAM system and PAL.

That rings a bell.  I once bought a Serge Gainsbourg video collection in France - it only played in b+w back home.

Jules

Would that be my post? If so I apologise - I was fooled by the fact that products for sale on the page I linked to seem to be official releases.

Ye sages probably know this already, but that Taverne de l'Olympia footage also includes Sir B. McKenzie's (following Journeyman's Grace) and (to close the program) Walk Awhile.  Yeah, these clips seem to come and go, sometimes black & white and sometimes in color.

As I type, Walk Awhile is on YouTube in full color  :)

Is it only rumor that the Bouton Rouge (better spell that correctly if Jude is reading!) performance exists somewhere in color also?

Well it's a rumour I've heard too.  In fact I even have a vague memory of having seen a song in colour on the web one time....

Jules

Not a rumour, it was certainly in colour originally. For years I'd assumed it only existed in slightly grainy black and white - every version I'd seen had been like that - until BBC4 included an extract on their RT documentary a few years ago - not just in colour but in far better quality than I'd seen up to that point. A while ago all three songs appeared very briefly on YouTube in colour but were pulled almost immediately. There was some discussion on TAW and if I remember correctly it was pulled at the request of the copyright holder. I got the impression someone might have licensed the colour version for some future project and was protecting their interests, although that is probably just wishfull thinking on my part.

Have a look at this from TAW in 2005, there's some interesting background to how the footage was originally discovered.

http://www.talkawhile.co.uk/yabbse/index.php?topic=11516.15

Interesting about the Pop 2 1970 film, I've just checked my copy and it does have Sir B McKenzie's but not Talk Awhile, so I'm guessing my copy is incomplete, time to get searching again. This really deserves an official release, a much better representation of the Full House line-up than Maidstone IMHO.

If I recall, at some point in the mid-'80s, there were two "official" live releases recorded in Australia. 'Here Live Tonight' and 'More Live Tonight.' Were these similar to the original cassette tape issues of AT2 & The Boot? I've never seen nor heard these and was curious as to the quality of the recordings as well as the track listings?  

Boots, I think

Aussie fan club releases. More info + tracklisting here:

http://www.musikfolk.co.uk/expletive-delighted/album-herelive.htm

http://musikfolk.co.uk/expletive-delighted/album-morelive.htm

Good quality recordings, worth getting hold of.

Not boots at all, I don't think - they were put out by Fiddlestix Fanclub on tape...with permissions

Oooh, ok - got the others, but totally missed these

Many thanks. Checked out the link and looked it up in the booklet from the Fairport Unconventional box. Hope someone like Raven or Talking Elephant get around to these!

I wouldn't agree on good quality recordings. The mixes are pretty bad. I believe they were monitor mixes or so. Fiddle and drums are far too loud sometimes and all is very uneven.

Cheers
Alex

Interesting to see the Woodworm CD releases of AT2/The Boot and The Other Boot/The Third Leg up for bid on ebay today. Someone also has the cassette tape collection posted. Wonder what they'll go for?

Shhh, dammit!!!   ::)  :'(

Jules

Ah... So it was you then Jules! I wondered who the bugger was who outbid me! ;)

Of course it's all in the ear of the listener, but having skimmed the cassettes would comment as follows. Obviously, it is not an audiophile recording, but a raw document that doesn't appear to have been "fiddled" with. All the instruments are present, even Simon's guitar, so often lost under Maart's lead, is happily audible. Mattacks might be (deliciously) well up in the mix, but neither he nor Ric are overbearing. There is an FM broadcast, from Adelaide, about a fortnight after the "Here Live Tonight" Canberra show, that to my ears has been mixed to the point of politeness. "HLT" is a nice document of a relatively new band having fun & it's quality stands up well against the "Boot" sets. It would also make a great addition to the Woodworm Archive series.  :)

It went for 64.20.. crazy for a 3 CD set.

£41 for the first set, and £64 for the second...there really is a recession.... They were regularly hitting 3 figures each a year or two ago...

I nearly got the first one - was pipped by a pound.   :(

Jules

someone is sending far too many copies out!

That pesky supply and demand, eh?  :)  Still no takers for the tapes at £120, mind..lol..

I saw that. Unbelievable for cassette tapes.

I have a question about the large amount of compilation albums that have turned up over the last decade on such labels as Eureka, Mooncrest, Snapper, Recall, etc.. Most appear to be reissues of material from the various post-'85 recordings with some cropredy tracks added. The exception being 'Journeyman's Grace,' the 2-CD set on Snapper of the complete 2003 Marlowe Theatre concert. Of all these releases are there any other "must have's" out there that are worth checking out?

Also wanted to ask about the Quiet Joys of Brotherhood 2-CD set on Recall that reissues a portion of the '86 & '87 Cropredy sets and includes a DVD. Has anyone viewed the DVD? If so, what are the contents and are they available elsewhere?

Thanks

I seem to recall I sold AT2/The Boot on eBay once for about $250. This is something like 8 years ago; a copy I found by chance on a Dutch 2nd hand internet marketplace.
But then I had it again about 2 years ago and it went for maybe $50. Funny, that: as far as investments go it's not a good idea ;-)

The DVD is a filmed interview with Simon and Peggy.Could be from anywhere/when but my guess is it's from the In Real Time/It All Comes Round Again videos.Just a guess though.
Personally I'd avoid all those other comps,I don't think there's anything that's not on a regular album.

There was a copy sold on a charity stall on the Cropredy field last year for a fiver.

 :'(

Jules

With Fairport's permission, I remain able to make copies of AT2/The Boot/The Other Boot available for those who will commit to a charitable contribution equal to the cost of the albums were they available in the shops.

If anyone wants this, IM me.

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The DVD is a filmed interview with Simon and Peggy.Could be from anywhere/when but my guess is it's from the In Real Time/It All Comes Round Again videos.Just a guess though.
Personally I'd avoid all those other comps,I don't think there's anything that's not on a regular album.
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Its a more recent interview, conducted about the time the Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood set came out....say 2004 or so. And I agree with Mike, the multitude of comps would best be avoided unless it winds up being the only way you can get songs from the 80's-90's missing from your collection.

The DVD is a filmed interview with Simon and Peggy.Could be from anywhere/when but my guess is it's from the In Real Time/It All Comes Round Again videos.Just a guess though.
Personally I'd avoid all those other comps,I don't think there's anything that's not on a regular album.
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Its a more recent interview, conducted about the time the Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood set came out....say 2004 or so. And I agree with Mike, the multitude of comps would best be avoided unless it winds up being the only way you can get songs from the 80's-90's missing from your collection.
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Many thanks guys. I appreciate the advice. - Rob

If anyone is interested, I just saw that the U.S. Amazon site has a used copy of the Cropredy '98 Woodworm CD for under $25. I have been hunting a copy for the past couple of years and just bought one myself last week. There were only 1000 of these ever released and for the price - you really can't beat it.

    1. Woodworm Swing [Ric Sanders] (3.30)
    2. Close to You [Chris Leslie] (4.43)
    3. The Hiring Fair [Ralph McTell] (7.22)
    4. The Bowman's Retreat [Ric Sanders] (3.02)
    5. Easy to Slip [Lowell George, Martin Kibbee] (4.03)
    (with Chris While, vocals; PJ Wright, slide guitar; Pete Zorn, percussion, backing vocals; Rabbit Bundrick, Hammond organ; Maartin Allcock, piano)
    6. Jump the Broomstick [Michael Harding] (4.39)
    (with Chris While, vocals; Pete Zorn, saxophone; PJ Wright, pedal steel guitar; Rabbit Bundrick, piano; Maartin Allcock, Hammond organ)
    7. Ringing Down the Years [Dave Cousins] (8.08)
    (with Dave Cousins, vocals, acoustic guitar; Rabbit Bundrick, piano; Maartin Allcock, Hammond organ)
    8. Who Knows Where the Time Goes [Sandy Denny] (6.31)
    (with Chris While, vocals)
   9. John Gaudie [Chris Leslie] (5.58)
    10. Spanish Main [Allcock / Leslie] (4.47)
    11. Matty Groves / Rutland Reel [Trad. arr. Fairport / Ric Sanders] (10.24)
    12. Meet on the Ledge [Richard Thompson] (7.32)
    (with Chris While, vocals; Rabbit Bundrick, piano; Maartin Allcock, Hammond organ)

    plus Bonus Studio Track:
    13. Castle Rock [Alan Simon] (2.34)
    (taken from Excalibur, with Dave Mattacks, drums)

Really? Only 1000? I didn't know that. Fortunately I have a copy. Great version of Easy To Slip.

I remember it being a limited run on these. Perhaps due to the DVD being released? But, the DVD didn't have Easy To Slip, along with a few others that were only issued on this disc. Always liked the CD cover as well. Tough one to find!

Got a copy too - I once told Chris While after a gig what a great version of Easy To Slip that was and how it was a nice change for the Sandy slot to contain some of her rockier moments and to hear some Little Feat at Cropredy.She told me to speak to Helen Watson who was supporting Chris and Julie,because she had actually sung with them,which I didn't know.I also didn't know,of course, that the real Little Feat would play at Cropredy some years later.

Picked up a cheap copy of The Quiet Joys of Brotherhood and watched the interview DVD last evening. It is an hour long interview of Simon and Peggy conducted by Jet Martin Celmins (who some will know as a blues guitarist and author of the Peter Green bio, who still opens for Peter Green & Friends on occasion) at Woodworm Studios, Christmastime, 2002. It is a fairly standard interview but thoroughly interesting nonetheless. I always enjoy listening to Simon & Peggy discussing the history of the band and their sense of humor always delights even during the moments when Celmins didn't seem to have a clue. The 2-CD set is also worth having for the inclusion of many of the highlights from Cropredy '86 & '87. In fact, it appears to be but 6-tracks short of being the whole of Woodworm's The Other Boot / The Third Leg (3-CD Set).  

  

Finally!  Just won copies of AT2/The Boot and The Other Boot/The Third Leg CDs on eBay.  Been a long time coming.   ;D

Jules

And ridiculously cheaply too...congratulations, Jules (bizarrely a tape copy of the Boot sold for £2.96 as well...there really *is* a recession on)....

Thanks.  I couldn't believe that I was the only bidder.

Jules

bugger thats my old age pension ballsed up, i was going to get you to make me a ridiculous offer for them in a few years :'( :'( :'( ::)

It's alright, Jim, I wouldn't have paid that much anyway.   ;)

Jules

Great! Glad you finally got a copy Jules.

Thanks, Rob.  And thanks for keeping an eye out for me.

Jules