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Looks like another live CD from the Rising From The Moon era is coming soon:-

http://www.spincds.com/coming-soon/live-1974-at-my-father-s-place-cd

Jules

One of those weird ones where more people will probably own a 'boot' recording of it than will ever purchase the 'official' release, I imagine!

I got wind of this today, too.  I don't own any version of it and never heard of it before.  The setlist looks standard for the era, with no surprises.

Is it worth acquiring, he asked?

The standard boot recording is a decent '74 show - and a nice recording for the period.  Will be interesting to hear what sort of sound quality it is, but I very doubt I'll be buying it to find out...

There's apparently an audience recording and an FM broadcast, which is shorter....I'm guessing that this is the FM.....another Sloth to add to the collection, anyway.

Audience:
1. Matty Groves
2. Solo
3. Sloth
4. It'll Take A Long Time
5. Dirty Linen
6. Brilliance Medley
7. Like An Old Fashioned Waltz
8. Rising For The Moon
9. The Ballad Of Ned Kelly
10. The Hexamshire Lass
11. John The Gun
12. Down In The Flood
13. Jigs
14. Six Days On The Road

FM:
1. Matty Groves
2. Solo
3. Sloth
4. It'll Take A Long Time
5. Dirty Linen
6. Brilliance Medley
7. Like An Old Fashioned Waltz
8. The Ballad Of Ned Kelly
9. The Hexamshire Lass
10. John The Gun
11. Down In The Flood
12. Jigs

Sandy Denny - vocals,
Dave Swarbrick - fiddle,
Trevor Lucas - guitar,
Jerry Donahue - gutar,
Dave Pegg - bass,
Dave Mattacks - drums

The dates are uncertain.
Although the DJ starts the FM broadcast naming the recording from May 8,
Clinton Haylin insists that the audience recording was from May 16
and FM broadcast from May 17.

Tracklisting for the CD appears to be:-

Matty Groves
Solo
It'll Take a Long Time
Dirty Linen
Brilliancy Medley/Cherokee Shuffle
Like an Old Fashioned Waltz
Ballad of Ned Kelly
The Hexhamshire Lass
John the Gun
Down in the Flood
Sir B. McKenzie's

Looks like the FM broadcast, but minus Sloth.   :(

Jules

WHAT ???????????

I'd much rather hear live recordings from other lineups before this time, rather than adding another '74 gig to Live Convention, Before the Moon and the Live at the Troubadour set, all of which I already have.  Looks like Brilliancy Medley is the only track that doesn't appear on any of these.  Probably will pass unless I find a very cheap copy.

Oh please, this is 40 years old (the website says "Recorded live at My Father's Place, Old Roslyn, New York, USA on 8th May 1974"), it's almost certainly not going to benefit the band in any way and this has been knocking around for ages as a boot.

If you want to throw money away, try JustGiving to a worthy charity.

I don't buy cds do benefit somebody. I buy cds when I want them....

I guess they axed Sloth to fit it on one CD.  Not the first time this has happened, if memory serves.

Jules

Neither do I, but if the band actually get paid then I consider this to be a positive.

It will therefore be another of these "grey area" releases whereby US radio broadcasts that are more than (I think) 30 years old become public domain and can be sort of legally released in Europe (but not the US). The recent Spirit Of Radio set by Bruce Springsteen was of similar provenance but sold enough to make the UK album chart so sales are obviously tracked and appropriate royalties should therefore accrue.

I'm not sure that I am interested in yet another set from this era either, especially without Sloth but I doubt that there are many US FM radio recordings out there for earlier incarnations of the band. I would really like to hear something by the Angel Delight line up.

Definitely not due to time restrictions, the full broadcast is only 71 mins. I've had several versions of this over the years, and I remember one did omit Sloth, apparently some very bad radio static rendered it unusable. Hopefully this isn't a copy of that as there are far better (and more complete) versions from different captures of the off-air recording. It does look like one of those semi-legit releases of US radio broadcasts, which are generally just copies of widely circulated bootlegs, rather than from the radio station's own tapes.

There's a very interesting one from Ultrasonic Studios, Hempstead, NY from 14 March '72 - an excellent quality 13 song set by the Hill/Farnell/Pegg/Swarbrick line-up, that would have been far more interesting than another from the '74 and '75 tours. However, to the people who put out these sort of releases a set featuring a more celebrated line-up including Sandy is always going to be a more commercial proposition compared to one by a largely forgotten version of the band.

Whilst we're on the subject of wish lists (I love Ultrasonic too) I would please request an official release of The Manor Sessions.. Given current relations between the 2 'main' figures in this lineup that is about as likely as a very unlikely thing, but still...  :)

Well it won't be an off-air version.  My best is that it'll be the source you mention, and that's why Sloth will have been axed.

Jules

I'm pretty sure it will be an off-air, I don't think a pre-FM version of this has ever surfaced, all circulating copies are from various recordings from the broadcast. Assuming this is another of these semi-legit releases I think it's certain the label responsible won't have sourced the tapes from the radio station, if they still exist of course. Of those I've heard - the two REMs, RT's Folk City Broadcast and Neil Young's Cow Palace show from '86 - they're all just copied directly from commercial factory-pressed bootlegs, even when there are better quality, non-booted, versions in circulation. The RT CD, for example, was just a copy of the awful Alone With His Guitar boot, which was made from high-gen tape of an off-air recording, even though the soundboard masters in pristine quality were available. I hope I'm wrong and whoever is putting this out is doing a proper job with it, but I rather suspect it's just another cheap knock-off.

I stand/sit corrected, Col.  It sounds like you're 100% bang on.

Jules

Here's the official link I just received from Spin CDs (I just now saw that Jules posted this above at the beginning of the thread):

http://www.spincds.com/live-1974-at-my-father-s-place-cd

I appreciate all the comments here.  This group is a valuable resource for evaluating such purchases before the money is spent...

I'm on Spin's list too, and am also awaiting info about this release, from anyone who knows anything.  8)

I would argue that all the info you need has already been outlined above.

Jules

Fair enough Jules, but I'll fell better informed when someone actually hears it and posts.

If its just the fm tape then is been widely available for years in an unofficial capacity.
It will need to be a hell of a sonic upgrade to make me pay what they are asking for it on Amazon.

I thought that too. I know Amazon's CD pricing can sometimes defy logic, but I'd be interested to know how they justify £23.69 when Spin have it for half the price.

I'm convinced it's just the fm tape and the omission of Sloth would lead me to think it's a copy of a boot I had years back, which was easily the worst version of the gig I've heard. Don't know anything about the label RockBeat Records, but a look at their at their website doesn't really inspire confidence that this is going to be anything other than a cheap (although not at Amazon  ::)) knock-off.

Picked up via an Amazon Marketplace seller for under £6. Just have to wait for it to wafted over the Atlantic, and then trust The Post Orifice not to lose it........

Philip

Damn - missed that one!

Jules

Still there..................

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00KINILG4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

Philip

But that's a whopping £7.09 including postage!   :o  ;D

Jules

Yes, slightly better than Amazon's current £13.66 ;D

Philip

I've used that seller (All Your Music aka Digital Waves) many times, they're reliable and always considerably cheaper than Amazon. Although they say they ship from the States I think they use some form of bonded warehouse arrangement (presumably to avoid import duty), so it actually comes directly from their premises in Middlesex.

I use them a lot too.  The CDs themselves must come from the States originally, because they always take 10 or 11 days to land.  But, yes, they do probably come via a second base here in the UK.

Jules

 ;D

Delayed laughter.

Jules

Have listened to this via Spotify, comes under the category of good but for completists only. Sounds a bit like a boot...

...because to all extents and purposes it is one.

Jules

Oh yes, I was diplomatically describing the sound quality  :)

the new cd version sounds, if anything, worse than the boot i've had for many years, i should have saved myself 6 quid. Still unless they unearth some hidden gems it's far and away the best release under the fairport banner that will be released this year.

I'v e wondered about this, as their returns address is in the UK, but the stuff takes  abut 10 days to get to you, in my experience. I'm about to return a CD with bent digipak, and wondered if this was because of the long transit . . . :-\

I find that most digipaks come somewhat creased in the mail these days.  In their case, using those thin corrugated cardboard mailers is probably the main reason.

Jules

You've nailed it there Jules. I've got in the habit of actively avoiding ordering Digipaks by mail for this reason, especially from companies who use this packaging.  I didn't know this one was a d'pak, was expectinfg a jewel case.