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From Jerry D on FB:

"Hello fellow Family and Friends of Sandy: It's been wonderful to read all the support and enthusiasm here, over upcoming activity surrounding Sandy: Mick Houghton's wonderful biography, the 4-disc box set being released by Universal, next month, etc. And, as Universal have been encouraging Pat, Gerry and me to put a sort of 'Fotheringay revisited' unit together as an aid in promoting all of this, we've done just that, and have some wonderful guests with us in Kathryn Roberts (of Equation, KR and Sean Lakeman), Sally Barker (The Poozies and The Voice), and PJ Wright (The Dylan Project, The Steve Gibbons Band, PJW and Dave Pegg). This is most exciting to all of us involved in the three projects and we now have the following confirmed dates on our calendars.

June 2015

Wednesday 17th: The Bridgewater Halls, Manchester
Thursday 18th: The Brewery Arts Centre, Kendal
Friday 19th: Under the Bridge, London
Saturday 20th: Lowdam Festival, Notts
Sunday 21st ?
Monday 22nd: The Philharmonic Hall, Liverpool
Tuesday 23rd: The Carneigie Hall Dunfermline

These have been arranged in the only 8 day period that was free to all six of us, since we do have quite different agendas and schedules from one another. But we're treating this very seriously and it gives us an exciting opportunity to relive this wonderful side of Sandy's music that, I believe, no one else has covered in all these years. I hope we get close enough to you and you'll be able to join us in a wonderful evening of Sandy's unique and beautiful songs. Besides the two Fotheringay albums, we will also be doing a few selections from Sandy's solo works and, of course Trevor's selections sung by PJ. Cheers! Jerry Donahue"

 :)

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Our tix are already on order!

No sign of the London gig on the Under the Bridge or Eventim sites?

not on sale yet - I don't think any of them are

Yes.. Lowdham in Notts is on sale.

This would make an excellent birthday present to myself since my birthday is June 18th; don't think I can make it over for this AND Cropredy though. However, I think this would be an ideal choice for a slot at Cropredy 2017 (as well an Albion Band collective performing all of Rise Up Like The Sun).

tried the bridgewater but its not up on the website yet

I'd think Cropredy would be a must.  There and Knoxville.

Manchester or Kendal for me....

The 21st is Glastonbury weekend I think?

I'm having a somewhat optimistic fantasy that they're just about to book Cheltenham Town Hall for the 21st.   ::)

Jules

Kendal seems to be tge smallest gig on this tour...the others are barns. Maybe not Chelsea FC though, but that'll be all standing

Lowdham isn't a barn... It's a village hall.

Chelsea tickets are on sale.

Thanks - how much are tickets there? It said 'festival', hence I thought it would be outside.....

London bought!

Keep the info on the on-sales coming....

£22 for Lowdham tix.

Just a thought - can one of the mods change the thread subject title so that it says Fotheringay rather than Fothergay?  Not just me being a pedant, but it actually might be useful for some folks searching for the thread.

Jules

Edit: Done Colin

Not more Fotheringport Confusion??!

Apologies. Hadn't noticed. New reading glasses required.  :)

What time does the London show start and is it a standing only performance Chris?

Hopefully a Brum venue may make an appearance and howabout a Bristol / Exeter also.Otherwise a very Northern centric tour which I guess makes a change.

dW

8, I think....ticket receipt not with me right now...

There is a 360 degree tour on their website, go take a look? Looks to me like a central standing area together with booths/tables & chairs elraised aound the room

I've just bought London tickets and it's 7pm start.

I think that's doors time

I think you could be correct. It doesn't actually start time, it just says 7pm.

Fotheringay without Sandy and Trevor, The Doors without Jim and Ray i'll still not go to London to see them ;) Seriously think I will get tickets for Kendal.

Bridgewater Hall?  They're having a laugh, aren't they?

Sorry, and I'm desperate to see them but the thought of sitting in there with, what, 100 others doesn't seem very appealing....

Yeah, I thought that....we'll see.

Are there smaller spaces at the venue, David? I notice that the Liverpool Phil Hall is listing a night with Kevin Bridges on the date Jerry's giving for Fotheringay to play that venue, so I assume they're not in the main auditorium. (Personally, I'd prefer a night with Fotheringay.)

That was my first thought...but, no, not as far as I know... :-\

I'll don my flak jacket lest I'm accused of trolling, and I know this question belongs in another thread, but why aren't they booked for Cropredy ?
A Fotheringay recreation band featuring Gerry, Jerry and Pat with a suitable frontline has been on my Cropredy wishlist for years now.
Just looking this up, The Nerve (G, J & P with Doug Morter and Vikki Clayton) played in 1995. A gap of 20 years is long enough, surely ?

Pat's probably unavailable?....

That, and the fact that the vast majority of the audience at Cropredy these days would probably have absolutely no interest in them, I imagine.  I mean, Fairport can't even keep what, half the audience, involved any more, can they?  Fotheringay wouldn't stand a chance.

Both fair points.
Have just re-read Jerry D's statement about the scheduling :

"These [dates] have been arranged in the only 8 day period that was free to all six of us, since we do have quite different agendas and schedules from one another."

And, yes, it's a shame that they might not stand a chance in that field these days, just wishful thinking...

Perhaps for the 50th Anniversary concert in 2017; when the line-up and the audience would likely be more Fairport & relations-friendly/centric?

i suppose its the bridgewater because the sandy Denny tribute concert a couple of years ago sold well, if not out, i'm not sure

well i'm going, tickets booked

100 others - is that too many or too few?   ???

Jules

What's all this about? Was there a mass walkout? I didn't notice.

The audience size on Saturday nights is noticeably smaller than the Thursday and Friday ones (or it was the last few times I went anyway).  The level of engagement in the audience is also noticeably diminished...about the front third of the field looked as though they gave a damn last time I looked...

I was wondering what to play in my car today - now I have the answer!

From what I gather the same could be said for the band last year as well  :-\

:-)

Two more tickets booked for Bridgwater Hall

We've booked for the Bridgewater as well, but tickets are hardly flying out are they? In the centre stalls they've only sold five seats in the first six rows, including the front row pair we got on Monday.

Kendal appears to be on sale to Friends - public sale tomorrow at 6pm...

Our tix have arrived 😄

Booked for London.  Very much looking forward to it!  I shall be interested to see what exactly they play (and who gets to do Banks Of The Nile...).  Kathryn Roberts singing Sandy is something I'm really interested to hear.

The Liverpool gig is in St George's Hall, not the Philharmonic Hall (or indeed pub - despite the legendary marble bogs).  Ticket sales via the Phil's website.

I'm hoping for a Midlands/SW gig on the "tba" date, otherwise it's Liverpool or Manchester for me.

Ditto.

Jules

Well, the Philharmonic website does include concerts at St George's Hall, but no mention of Fotheringay; no mention on Liverpool council's St Geoerge's Hall web page either.  Guess I'll just have to wait...

On tour.....Manchester, Kendal & London...:-)

When I last looked Nottingham was in the Midlands.

The Sunday date as far as I'm aware is still available, if someone fancies promoting a gig in their locality. I'd liked to have put them on but it would only work as a standing gig, which for the demographic I didn't think was the best idea.

Yeah, but it's in the wrong bit!

Jules

For some strange reason all the seats at the back and side at the Brewery Arts Centre have gone but there are plenty in the first 7 rows. I'd love to go but at £22.50 + booking fee I can't afford it.

 :(

https://www.breweryarts.co.uk/music (https://www.breweryarts.co.uk/music)

Very tempted by the London concert but the ticket price (£29.50 + booking fee), added to the cost of getting into London, is putting me off.  That and the fact I can't find anyone else to go with at the moment...

I suspect, but could be completely wrong, that they want to fill the front & centre first....maybe they think that the ayuidience won't be huge?

Or they allocated a block of tickets to an agency who subsequently didn't sell them

You might be right. I've had a look at other gigs there and the back few rows are all apparently sold out while there are plenty of better seats on sale nearer the front. Shows it's better to book tickets direct from the venue than through agencies.

Kendal booked, including camp site.

It makes a pleasant change that the best seats in the house are still available.

What about the mint cake?   ;D

Jules

Good point, well put

It's minty but not very cakey

Also booked for Kendal, and a rare outing for Mrs Brendan (who is a huge Sandy fan, two of her favourite songs being on the album Banks of the Nile and The Sea also likes Sally Barker so we are on safe territory).

I am one lottery win away from going to one of these shows.  :)

Just ordered the box set from amazon.de - £10 cheaper than amazon UK, even including postage. (Thanks to R4 Today for reporting on the favourable £/€ exchange rate...  :) )

Paul, you could have found out all that from my post on February 27th here:-
http://www.talkawhile.co.uk/yabbse/index.php?topic=42425.msg674314#msg674314   ;D

Needless to say, I've done likewise.

Jules

I knew I had seen it mentioned somewhere on here! Thx Jules.

Me too - and I think it was actually £15 cheaper!

It was a little cheaper, but for us Brits at least, by the time they'd added tax and postage, it's not quite as much as that.

Jules

no tax from Germany

I'm a Brit too - and living in the UK!  My order comes, inc. VAT and shipping, to 32.21 euros, or £23.87.  Which compares to £38.99 on Amazon UK

Ah yes, but will the booklet be in prussian?

Will, I stand, or rather I sit, corrected.

(I wasn't saying you weren't a Brit, by the way!)

Even allowing for Amazon not giving us the best exchange rate in the world, that's so much better than the UK price.



Nein.   ::)

Jules

The ? = Hailsham Pavilion.
http://www.spyboy.co.uk/list

Booking opens March 17 (Tuesday)

German Amazon no longer selling it - I wonder if the record Company have refused to supply?

New dates -

Sunday 6 December - Great British Folk Festival @ Skegness
Saturday 12 December - Phoenix Theatre, Exeter

Tickets not yet on sale for Exeter.
http://www.fotheringay.com/#!tour/c1ehy

 :(  I wonder if they'll fulfil existing orders or cancel them.

Jules

They are still offering the MP3 version, so I'm hoping that it means they have just sold out of all the physical ones.  I haven't had an email to tell me that my order has been cancelled.  Looking at my order on the Amazon.de website, it just says 'Not shipped yet', but has an approximate delivery date.  So I'm still hopeful  :)

Usually just means that they have sold out of their allocation through pre-orders. Happened to me recently with something. I still received it at the price I had ordered and it did subsequently reappear on Amazon when they got further supplies after release date.

They're probably waiting for the discs to be sent from the UK distribution centre..

Entirely probable. It seems that in order to get anything at a sensible price in this country now it has to undertake a round trip of up to 7000 miles first. Madness.  ::)

I checked my order with amazon de this afternoon and it gives me an estimated delivery date of 2nd - 3rd april

Cheers Jim, I'll check mine tomorrow... Waiting for the Who at the moment... �� parkas everywhere at the O2!

I can't help but think that a band who almost never (to my knowledge) wore parkas, attract so many wearers of the things out of some somewhat misplaced badge of modism.

Jules

Just ordered a copy from Amazon Italy 34 euros including p and p delivery 5 to 8 April--- hopefully!!!

yup, me too.

My order shows "not shipped yet" with a deliver date of 1-2 April.  Daumen drücken...  ;)

Just looked at the order on the pc, which, miracle of miracles, translates everything into easy to understand English! and it will be expected about 1st to 2nd of april and all for the bargain price of 28.22 euro.
I bet they've sold out at that price
 

.......but Townsend did write Quadrophenia!

They slapped postage and 'tax' (of what kind, I dunno) on top of that for my order.  Total = EUR 32.26.

Jules

And Jimmy wears a parka, right?  So why don't some of the fans go dressed as Tommy, or Uncle Ernie?   :D

Jules

Julian , go to the back of class and turn your face to the wall


ps, you'll be right about the postage i suppose

just putting my Parka on to listen to a recording from 22nd march, yes Jimmy is wearing a parka.

You woz robbed!  Tax & postage on top of the 28.22 euros for me took it up to only 32.21!  ;)

damn and blast, 5 of those eorocentimarkes light!! i wonder if its not too late to cancel and reorder?  [;-)

Right, I'm on the phone to my lawyer about this, stat!

Seriously though, is it just down to the exchange rate on the day you pre-order?

Jules

Because everyone who dresses like Uncle Ernie was at the last Paul McCartney gig I went to....

I think that's probably right, Jules.

Re the Who: loads of parkas at the O2, but I didn't spot ANY zoot suits.  

And Zak Starkey's a pretty good drummer - he didn't try to play like Keith Moon; if anyone, his style reminded me of John Bonham.

Imho he's a whole load better than that.  Let's not forget he's been the drummer in the Who for very nearly 2 decades now...

I'm not even going to try and get that back on topic!

Zak is indeed very good.  Keith actually gave him a couple of lessons when he was a kid, and I can hear elements of the original Who Patent British Exploding Drummer in the way he plays, but, as you say, more than a hint of Bonzo in there too.

Jules

Legs Larry Smith???

Bonzo.  As opposed to The Bonzos.

Jules

Yes, and as they don't actually debit your card until despatch, you may find that the amount changes again by that point. The Euro has gained against the pound in the last few days so it may end up being very slightly more expensive.

Good that I checked messages here while I was in the online ordering process for the box set.
Amazon Italy: 34 Euro inc postage is a bargain (and almost sounds like a mistake).
Come to think of it - fingers crossed the box set coming out of Italy will not go by the adjusted name of Fotheringetti Completti.  

Back on sale with German Amazon again now, at the slightly lower price of 27.99 euros.

My copy still says it hasn't been despatched yet, but delivery date still estimated at 1-2 April.

No sign of a price adjustment on my existing pre-order.   :(

Jules

Nor mine.  As long as it's only a few euro cents I won't complain, but if it went down more significantly I wouldn't be happy!

Ditto.  And I'd be sure to let them know too....in my best Google Translator German.   ;D

Jules

Ditto here as well...

Es ist nur zwanzig sieben cent, das ist etwas 13 von deiner englischen pences! Keine sorgen.
Es konte beriets in der post sein.

Your hovercraft is full of eels?!?!   :o

Jules

I don't think you will know until they send it out. Then they will send you an email advising the price drop if appropriate and refunding you the difference. Thay has been my experience.

Wunderbar,eels fur jemand!!!  ;D

Drifting off topic a little, anyone else remember the English-German-English translation of Matty Groves that appeared here some years ago? I must see if I can find it...

http://fclist.org/about-fc-list-list-humour-alternative-lyrics/few-woodlands-matty

Swerving back on topic, does anyone have a definitive list of what adjustments JD has made to the original recordings?

I'd like to see something like that too.

Jules

Hopefully there will be details in the box.

PS - thanks Ian! Still makes me smile, that...  :)

It's wending its weary way from the Prussian hinterland to green fields of Baguley, or so amazon.de would have me believe.

I received some sort of gothic missive presumably telling me likewise.   :D

Jules

Yep, on its way, the UK leg via Royal Mail apparently.  I was rather hoping it would be delivered via a vintage Junkers 52 flying into Staverton Airport.

The box set gets a pretty dismissive 2 star review in Mojo.  Mainly for trying to make a box set out of a band who only made one album proper, for having too many versions of the same songs, and for the fact that the critic doesn't rate Trevor's contributions.  I still can't help thinking that he's being harsh though.

Jules

And he is..?

Colin Irwin.

Why, are you going to go and duff him up?

Jules

Colin Irwin seems to have a problem with any repackaging of Sandy's work. He gave a sniffy (2-star) review to 'The Lady' tour in 2012: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/live-music-reviews/9288203/Homage-to-Sandy-Denny-Barbican-review.html

I find plenty to like on the box -- two hitherto unseen video tracks, the BBC recordings in decent quality (esp Wild Mountain Thyme, despite the obtrusive bass), the lovely demo of The Pond And The Stream (previously only on the mega box)...

I finally ordered it today, via Amazon.uk.  I can't wait!

I pre-ordered through Amazon UK, and have downloaded the autorip version.
On first listening I like it, but it is not earth shaking.
The CDs are still at work.
Perhaps I should have waited until it was released and just bought the MP3 at £18.99. Though I would miss out on the as yet unseen DVD.


Edit: below


John seems to have got in just in time. Amazon's UK seller (Speedyhen) has just one left!

Ah, the inappropriately named Speedy Hen (they take ages).

Jules

Well, my box set had just plopped onto the floor under the letter box.  Off to have a look.

Jules

Our postie doesn't normally get here until nearly lunchtime... I saw a copy on sale in Fopp Bristol yesterday (£35 I think) and the box/artwork looks very neat.

One thing I've noticed - if Knights Of The Road and The Plainsman were both originally Fairportised in order to be included on Rosie, then why don't we have a Fotheringay version of The Plainsman on this box?  I'd have liked that.

Jules

Mine arrived this morning, I'm quite relieved to find the booklet doesn't come on high German and gothic script, and i would have liked the fairported songs as well.
    Thanks to Jools for the pointer to amazon de, 13 dabs are not to be scoffed at.

Perhaps they are just speedy in comparison to other hens!

We do get Knights.  But not Plainsman.

Jules

"Nothing More"? Bet there is   :)

Mine's arrived, together with my RT at the BBC set ordered at the weekend.  Mrs PaulT is going out tomorrow evening, so I will have a marathon listening session accompanied by a glass or several of red wine.

Just got the box set for a pretty fair price here:

http://www.grooves-inc.com/fotheringay-nothing-more-the-collected-fotheringay-island-cd-album-pZZa1-1899397880.html

Use the coupon code: 1RETAIL1

Ended up paying just $26.66 w/ free shipping - don't know if that would apply to the UK as well though.

Hope this is helpful!  :)

US offers don't usually apply for UK shipping.  Plus you run the risk of customs charges.  Great for any other TAWers in the States though.

Jules

Balls!  I significantly overpaid.  My order is already in process and too late to cancel.

Thanks, Jules.

Worth checking out though!

I went back and fiddled around with the site some.  It set the price at 22.12 sterling and the shipping still appeared to be free!  However, since I don't have a UK address handy, I didn't take it through the whole process to find out for sure.

Just been alerted to this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nothing-More-Collected-Fotheringay/dp/B00S8XVFDM/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1428159095&sr=1-2

Arf. Must be out of stock already.  :)

£20.12 with free shipping to the UK. Gave prices in GBP immediately (must recognise UK DNS address) and very smooth process.

Righteous!  :)

Still a risk of customs and handling charges, mind.

Jules

Shouldn't be at that price, which should be shown on the customs sticker.

You're allowance is £27 last time I checked

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/pressreleases/hm-revenue-customs-changes-to-personal-import-allowances-358933 indicates that the de minimis limit for VAT is £18, so a £20 item could well have VAT and handling charges added.
I have sometimes fallen foul of this.

I believe it's dropped to £15.  Anything over that is subject to charges.  Unless it's a gift.

Jules

I seem to recall that Colin Irwin had a problem with Polly Bolton's voice a few years back!

Mr Irwin seems to have a lot of problems!   ;)

Jules

I fear Jules is correct. https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty

Don't think so, Adrian's link applies to business transactions. VAT will be paid at point of sale. Importing stuff from within the EU for personal use should not attract any excess charges. That's one of the advantages of being in a "common market". :)

Within the EU?  There's no charge.  But we were talking about importing from the States here, and anything over £15 that's not a gift has the potential to attract charges.

Jules

Apologies, must pay more attention.  :)

Amazon Italy was amazingly fast. Two days after shipping it arrived, on 2 April. And it was proper Fotheringay, not Fotheringetti as feared.
Nice job. Music's very familiar of course (and among the best in the wider FC family), still wanted to have this one ... and Trevor? He rules. Bleh Colin irwin.

i think its quite anice job. the music is as you would expect i would only add that the tracks that became FC staples were immeasurably enhanced by having messrs Pegg and Mattacks on bass and drums not to mention todays birthday boy.
 also must add that i do hate the way the discs are a bugger to remove, your heart is in your mouth until the come off in one piece.

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What? Is it 13 October already?

(I know you mean Swarb)

To be fair, Colin champions Fairport, RT and other numerous offshoots and ex-members for decades now.
Doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he writes (I don't), but...

Long after the fact that major magazines stopped to care about Fairport he still found some merit in their endeavours, sometimes more than some of the esteemed Forum members here.

Hmmm....not sure.  I was watching the DVD part of the box the other day and was struck by Gerry's fine drumming.  He plays a blinder on that.

Jules

I, too, was struck by the dynamics of the band when first viewing the footage available on youtube.  

Gerry gave 'em some real swagger.

Confirmation email from Groove say despatch will be from Berlin, so hopefully no charges.

Mine was sitting on my desk when I got back to work this morning. Now I have to wait till the end of the day before I can listen to it  :P

That sounds very promising!

Jules

So, it's definitely the small venue in Liverpool.  £22.50 strikes me as very on the steep side, mind.  Still, I think I ought...

http://www.liverpoolphil.com/16341/events-contemporary-music/fotheringay.html

And we will be joining you Jim,meet for a pint first? As predicted though tickets aren't exactly flying out.  ::)

Britons protection or peveril of the peak, both are yards from the Bridgewater about an hour before?

If you're happy for me to join you, let me know which you settle on & I'll see you there

That would be nice Chris,Jim is the home team so I'll leave it to him to decide.  :)

The Briton's protection is the nearest to the hall, it is literally across the road from it, so thats probably the best bet.
   We must confirm nearer the time and all are welcome.

Bridgwater Hall is giving away 3 pairs of tickets, simply answer their question -

Just got the latest Nettlebed mailing through, and see there is a Fotheringay concert now booked there on 7th December, the day after GBFF.  It is confirmed on their website, along with a concert in Exeter on Sat 12th Dec.

Definitely up for that one!

Everyone knows this - Led Zeppelin!

Q. Sandy Denny formed Fotheringay in 1970 after her departure from which band?

The Strawbs.  ::)

Finally received and listened to my Fotheringay box set.

I managed to cancel my Amazon order and buy it at a discount from Grooves, and it has been worth every penny.  I am so pleased to have the full Rotterdam concert (I absolutely love "The Way I Feel" and I finally have a live soundboard recording of it), and four professionally recorded and filmed live performances to boot.  I already had everything else, but I don't feel the usual sinking sensation associated with buying a Deluxe CD package...

Re: Bridgewater Hall show:

"Thanks for entering our recent Fotheringay competition. Unfortunately you weren't one of the lucky winners, but we would like to offer you the chance to book a top price stalls seat for £19 (inc. £2 booking fee), a saving of £7!

You can claim this offer by calling our Box Office on 0161 907 9000, quoting the promo code SANDY, or book online by clicking on the button below before 10am Monday 11 May."

I'd love to know how many tickets they've sold..........

I just got that... I'm in Manchester, so might call in tomorrow...

EMail just landed too, was already thinking of going, but this makes it even better!!!!!!!

Philip

Just a little bit irritating for those of us who booked a while ago,but such is life.  [;-)

Looking at the seating plan on the Bridgewater's website I would say around half the seats in the centre stalls are sold, but hardly any in the side blocks and only the first couple of rows in the circle, maybe around 250-300 in total out of a possible 2400.

A review of the gatefolded set from The Quietus; http://thequietus.com/articles/17855-nothing-more-the-collected-fotheringay-review
Nothing new for seasoned Fotheringay-watchers, but a neat introduction to those new to the club.

Here's a review which talks about what we already have versus what's new, focussing on the mastering quality:-

https://addsomemusic2yourday.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/fotheringay-nothing-more-the-collected-fotheringay/

Jules

Anyone here been to Under the Bridge, the London venue, before?

"UTB is a General Admission standing venue. However, there are 7 booth areas at the back around the room and 20 bar stools around the edge of the dance floor. We advise that if you want a seat to arrive early when the doors open."
http://underthebridge.co.uk/faq/

Considering that most of the audience will be on the wrong side of 50 (including yours truly), this doesn't sound too promising.
 :(

I've not heard that they produce any additional seating - I suspect there'll be a queue at doors. I know I'll be in it....

Ok, so I can't find where we discussed meeting up in Manchester - can the local massive remind me please - and suggest a time? Might be looking for something to eat at the same time....

Jim suggested here Chris,but no evening food by the looks of it.
http://britons-protection.com

So what it means is, like so many London venues, if you are disabled  - tough, so have to rely on the usual suspects :o :o

I suspect wheelchairs are catered for, otherwise you do what anyone else does and turn up early (and are probably prioritised).

If you need to know, there are contact details on their website. Use 'em?

Not every disabled person uses a wheelchair (a common myth!), my wife who has a blue badge does not, but because of severe back pain and knee problems, is unable to stand for more than 10 minutes at a time, and I would find it hard to stand for more than half an hour without sitting down. These venues really haven't thought it out - with the exception of the Southbank and the Barbican which are excellent!

I think a venue is entitled to decide to be a standing venue, rather than seated? It wiuld be very boring if all venues had to be seated? And how many is a 'few' if they all had to have x% of seats?

Are you going to ban venues like the Borderline in London because its accessed by stairs?

As long as there are venues of all types, and where seated, available to all, isn't that better? Why would someone want to access a standing venue when they can't stand?

Abd before you say that they're only touring ince, there's another tour in December

 
This is rubbish, disgraceful attitude. :'(

Unfortunately all too prevalent today

So, are you suggesting all venues be made seated? Realistically, I mean.

And I think you need to check with the London venue that started this (sub-) thread, as I reckon that if you contact them in advance, they are likely to be fully accessible.....

What, they're only touring Ince? What a strange decision! You would have thought they could at least make it into Wigan too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ince-in-Makerfield

That takes me back.  My mum's family were from round that way.

Jules

Mever made a typo? Once....

I wouldn't say mever, Chris.   ;D

Jules

Arrghh! Typing on an iphone is a no-no!  :P

Once again, he's right about everything...

My wife got in touch with the London Venue as soon as the gig was anounced, and she definitely cannot do that one. Shame but upside is more money for our holiday ;D

Try the iphone dictate function, it's very good indeed!

I would agree with you that modern venues like that one really ought to be able to be used by the vast majority if those with disability.

My reference earlier was to amends that are really not possible architechurally or cost more than the venue is worth. Would we want them to stay open as is or close for good?

My experience is that you are slightly nadgered, rather than actually disabled, venues are quite understanding.
Just contact them well in advance and explain.

Find out who's in charge of the venue and send them a polite eMail.

Viv and I do tend to go to gigs that are expecting a younger crowd and Viv can't stand for ages. Generally venues help to just the right degree.

Look, my wife is not stupid - far from it, her decision entirely as to whether a venue is suitable. Her comfort is "paramount", just as are the wishes of the Falklanders ;D ;D

Don't all turn up because I want to get in, bit it seems that Jerry Donahue and the Folk Ensemble (sic) are playing at The Swan & Royal in Clitheroe tonight, with a very familiar looking cast* Free gig, landlord reckons arriving post 730 will be the right sort of time, should be good.

Philip

*Gerry Conway, PJ Wright, Pat Donaldson, Sally Barker, Kathryn Roberts.......................

too far for me....unfortunately, at short notice.

Bollox...if I was still back in the Pennines...

Bollox...if I was only still back in the Pennines...  Sounds fun  :)

A pair of bollox from David there.   ;D

Jules

:D

(the  :D relates to Jules's comment not David's bollox, I hasten to add, although I'm sure there's nothing wrong with them, but I'm not in a position to comment. I'll shut up)

Lol  ;D

Bugration i was up in colne today as well!

Ars@bandits. if only I had seen this two hours ago!

Same here,but didn't get back from work until gone 8:00!  [;-)

So after Renaissance and Gryphon in recent weeks I can now cross Fotheringay off the Great Gig Bucket List. Arrived at the Swan & Royal and found myself stood at the bar next to PJ Wright, so tried (and succeeded) to buy a Trad ARR album off him and found out that PJ is a Philip John just like me! I now have an album signed to PJ from Philip!!! Got my Fotheringay box signed by the survivors and found a spot with a great view of the band (except Kathryn hidden behind a pillar).

I'll not spoil the setlist, but suffice to say it was wonderful with 7 off the first album, six off the second, a Sandy solo track and a predictable cover for the encore. Sally Barker really nailed Sandy, especially on opener Nothing More wher the prog-daughter and myself just looked at each and went WOW (with a tear in my eye it must be said), whilst Kathryn sang beautifully and their harmony vocals were spot on. PJ doesn't do a bad Trevor either!! PJ swapped between electric and acoustic, with a couple of ventures off to his pedal steel (the knitting machine as Kathryn called it), whilst Sally stuck to acoustic guitar and Kathryn to keyboards and (allegedly because I couldn't see her) flute. Nice full sound, remarkably good in the conditions. Honarary Clitheronian Mr. Donahue was as superb as ever whilst Pat and Gerry (almost sat in the fireplace) nailed things wonderfully.

I had my doubts about this reunion, but not anymore!!!

A great night with probably 50 or so people there, and the band should be well warmed up for tonight and subsequent dates.

Philip

Sounds like a great gig - thanks for the review, Philip!

Jules

Yes, thanks, a good piece. I was looking forward to Friday anyway, but am even more so now.  :)

Can't wait!

Fab review, I wouldn't take a setlist to be a 'spoiler'!

Seeing them tonight in Kendal.

Even Maartin Alcock made an appearance on stage last night in manchester ;-)

Nice.  Doing what?   :)

Guitar tech for Sally ;D

I'd love them to appear at Cropredy.....  {:-)

He came to see the show. ::)

Set list, click if you dare!



Vocals evenly split between Kath, Sally & PJ

It's *very* good, I'm looking forward to a second helping tonight!

Cropredy next year is extremely likely

That will do nicely.

It says he appeared onstage Chris...hence the question.

Cropredy?  Surely not...it's a bit folk-rock for that festival isn't it?

He offered his tech knowledge to Sally ehen her guitar jack failed at half time

Just before the start of part 2 sally barker was having trouble with one of her guitars. Maart rushed up on stage and tried to sort it out for her but the jack socket seemed to be rubber ducked. After nipping off stage right for a few seconds they reappeared and hijacked PJ's spare acoustic just as the other members were reappearing.

Good night had by all who attended(the bridgewater was maybe a quarter full) and delightful to see Amos Brearley off Emmerdale farm on bass guitar.  

Great gig in Kendal tonight, I would post more but I'm doing this on an iPad, so it's not conducive to long reviews.

Great performance by Jerry and the gang at Kendal, but such a great band needto be seen at a bigger venue. Flat seating, low roof stifling heat but they certainly did the Fotheringay memory justice. Big thumbs up for Kathryn, Sally and Pj those big shoes were filled respectfully. Glad I went!

You mean like a quarter full Bridgewater Hall?

Even last night wasn't quite full....

Spotted: Rick Kemp & - long way from home - John Jones

How was Fabian in supporting role?
Hope he went down well

A quick 25 minmutes in Manchester - seemed to go down well, and had pax around him in the interval.

Sounds good my mates six foot eight and after a night on the lovely seats in Kendal it would be a relief to stretch out and I still think the band would come across better in a bigger venue, saying that the trembling bells and mike heron were fine there the other year, maybe my ears are going.

Really enjoyed him,nice line in between sound banter as well.  :)

Happy to say the Under The Bridge show lived up to expectations, everyone playing their part superbly. Great musicians all, I for one would welcome an album of new material.  :)

Under the Bridge - my review here http://darrensmusicblog.com/2015/06/20/fotheringay-at-under-the-bridge-london-19615/

Thanks for this review, I envy those of you able to see these shows.  I hope they put out a CD or DVD of this for those of us unable
to be there.

Nicely done, Darren.

Jules

Thanks for an excellent review of what must have been a wonderful show!

Spot on review. Wasn't it great to hear FolkROCK again?

Great review, my thoughts exactly.

.....and yes please to a live release!!!!

Philip

Now you're talking my language!   :)

Jules

Thanks for the feedback all - yes it was good to hear some folk-rock. Some lessons for other bands possibly...?

Another triumph at Lowdham last night. PJ clearly lost a few pounds during the set!!!
Nice to see the merchandise selling well too! I am wearing my tour t shirt as I write!

Have you noticed the December dates on the rear? :-)

Yes was surprised to see a run of 7 consecutive dates in December too! Given the reaction last night, there will be probably more in 2016.

A stunningly brilliant set last night at Lowdham...  Just fantastic.

The t-shirt is dull though; I was going to say the design was dull, but that would be to insult the word 'design'.

Pedal steel not in tune  ::)

Really?  Bummer.   :(

Jules

How could you tell?  ::)

No not out of tune, I mean notes steeled (??) slightly sharp. I suppose I'm used to USAian country music pedal steel players who are spot on! ;)

You don't like pedal steels, Shane?!   :o

Jules

I love them. My favourite is http://www.pedal-steel.co.uk/

Phew.  Well that's alright then!

Jules

But I do agree that the playing is stunning. :)

The Sept 2016 show by Fotheringay in The Netherlands (Roots aan de Zaan, which is my 'baby', in fact am off in an hour from now for tonight's season's opener preparations, Katriona Gilmore & Jamie Roberts) moved from Fri 23 to Sat 24 September next year, De Vermaning, Zaandam, we're open for reservations however far away it is (rootsaandezaan@gmail.com). It's quite likely to be a Dutch exclusive.
It's on the Fotheringay website listed as the 23rd but this is incorrect (but the whole thing changed recently so ... 's OK).

German Fotheringay fans, keep an eye out too. We moved a day so it makes a German gig possible. I don't see it advertised yet, so best not to say where either, but ... central-ish Germany is a handy place for Fotheringay fans to be 23 Sept 2016 ...

Anybody passing through Clitheroe tonight may well find the band at The Swan & Royal for another pre-tour, secret show, freebie sort of gig!!!!!

Well, despite the "Back by Popular Demand, Jerry Donahue & Friends" advertising, leading this attendee and several others I spoke to to expect the same friends as last time, it wasn't Fotheringay this time around, but Jerry & some other friends, none of who I knew. Great night of country blues though.

One snippet of information I picked up from Jerry was that the gig next Wednesday at the Grand in Clitheroe is the live recording, making use of the Grand's excellent studio facilities.

Philip

And it can be booked direct off the new FC website.

We shall be there. Looks a great venue.

More dates added to their website.

I'll leave you to discover which venue describes the gig thus....

I presume you've let them know Chris?

WHAT???!!!

That really is poor.

Now corrected. Somebody must be suitably red faced.  :)

You can see that they have no clue, they have omitted singer Kathryn Roberts.

Seriously though, to work in the entertainment/music promotions industry and not be aware of that fact AND that the blurb wasn't checked out by an associate. Its beyond belief really.

You'd think from the advertising that Sally Barker is only known for singing recently with Tom Jones. Surely she has a much greater musical history than that?

Ahh, but Sally's trip through The Voice would have played to many times the audience for her folk life....so reninding all those that have seen her on TV is better audience-wise

Ah yes Chris, I prefer to think of her as a Poozie !!

Oh me too...bit only a few '000 saw them

I saw Poozies (mark 1) performing live an open air concert in Italy - quite long time ago  :)
It was very good. The audience was about thirty people, but all very happy at the end.

all the best

Paolo

Did I see them with Kate Rusby?

Kate was in Poozies Mark 1, yes

I've been watching her in venues round Leicester and in bigger venues with Poozies for over 20 years.
I wonder what people's reaction to someone who has been on the Voice will be.
Will the stereotypical Voice audience be attracted to a Fotheringay gig?
Will being on the voice turn off folkies?
I am a sort of folkie who watches the Voice.
I am lucky in that Red Shoes are doing 2 gigs with Fotheringay this yr so I hope to watch them up close.
Sally has a great voice, is a lovely person and has had real sadness in her life. She deserves success.

In her solo shows, Sally adds in numbers sung on The Voice - for which You can't really blame her.

I do hope that Fotheringay don't try & cover one of those just to satisfy any new audience. I don't think they will, and also hope at least a few of any Voice audience find they like Sandy's material.

I hear they are recording a new album. I wonder what might go on it

Mark 2 after sally left.

Sally played with Vicki Genfan in Leicester last weekend. I wasn't there but the feedback is the "Voice" audience has almost gone and was back to genuine live music fans and the audience she used to get. Also, was an excellent night according to those who were there.

Hi Chris, I think you'll find Kate Rusby was in Poozies mark 2. I saw the original line up, and then subsequently at Windsor Old Fire Station when Kate was new to the band. Haven't a clue of dates though!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poozies

At last, I've managed to see Fotheringay for the FIRST time - I loved every moment of it - thank you so much to the Band. I hope no-one minds but I did video one number 'The Way I Feel', it's here if anyone is interested (a bit amateurish, apologies, but hope it captures something worthwhile).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAV90QZD3hk&feature=share

They're in Banbury tomorrow evening, see you down the front!

Hi Chris, have a great evening! If I still lived in the Thames Valley I'd come too, sadly a bit too far from South Somerset.

Many thanks for the video which is super. Hopefully there will be "more"  ;)

Nice vid Josh...top stuff  :)

Enjoyed that, thank you!

Plenty out there on Simmo7's Youtube channel from a festival last year

Beautiful!  :)

New date just announced on Twitter: "Just Announced: Worcester, United Kingdom - Aug 19 at Huntingdon Hall"

That will suit me.

*makes mental note*

Cheers, David.

Jules

I'd get & book if you want a decent seat....

Got to see if my good lady is interested first.  And then work out the likelihood of whether we'll be abroad or not.  August is a tricky month.

Jules

Oh b*gger! Extended family outing to the theatre in Malvern that night.

Heres a little taster of the band back in 1970.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiH8_h-1SM&index=4&list=FLeHOvVY6w9JvthwV6-Oo-Iw

I think currently that Ms Barker does a pretty amazing job - as at New Forest Folk Festival.

Jerry D looks almost unchanged !

Wow, that woman singing has a superb voice!   :)

Amazing clip. Gypsy Davy gets me every time. And the clarity of the footage. Superb.

If I win the Powerball tomorrow night, I'll be at Fotheringay in Worcester next month.  If not, I'll be holding out for them to play Cropredy 2017.

They're booked according to Jerry

great news!

I so hope that's true; I've been negotiating with Mrs. J From A for a 2017 return to Cropredy since we boarded the flight home in 2012.