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Looks interesting.  :)

http://www.amazon.com/Live-Finland-1971-Fairport-Convention/dp/B01EBB4N4W  

Well at least this one isn't yet another from 1974/5.  I'm ready to pounce.

Jules

Ve-ery interesting. But who are Real Gone??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9he7kDGt5RI

There's a naughty copy of this about. Matty is great....listen to Simon go.

Simon really took on the business of depping for Richard for a wee while.  Played like he was possessed!

Jules

Now THAT is a band on fire!

I wouldn't have thought that there's many here who don't already possess a copy of this. It's been knocking around for years.

Well there is at least one. I don't do boots, generally speaking.

Details from the issuing label.

http://www.realgonemusic.com/news/2016/4/20/fairport-convention-live-in-finland-1971-cd.html

...and a live version of Sir William Gower. Did I imagine that it was resurrected on a Wintour?

Remastered by Mike Milchner at Sonic Vision. Sounds like an impressive selling point ?

http://www.sonicvisionmastering.com/

That wrongheaded use of an apostrophe in the last sentence spoiled it for me.

Jules

One of my fave live recordings.  I'd be up for this.

Oh yes! "My" FC - ie the line-up I saw first. I'll definitely get this one...

Thanks, Al. Official, then.

Tenuously official by the looks of things. I shouldn't think it would get past any artist who had the time, money or inclination to get m'learned friends on the case.

Quite. They have a website and aren't hiding what they're doing, but may be doing it without the usual permission etc.

 ;D

"Excellent recording with an Ample Bottom End".   :o

Not so sure about this. The glut of grey area releases that have emerged recently are illegal in the US and exploiting a European copyright loophole. Buy any one of them and you will be unable to find any kind of contact details or address for the issuing label. This is actually a US label, providing full contact details, issuing the album in the US and being completely open about all of it. They also seem to have taken the trouble to remaster the recording and name the individual involved. How much they may have paid for the rights to the recording and what the arrangements are around royalties is another issue but this does not look at all "grey area" to me. I doubt they could afford to be that open about it if they were not prepared for these questions to be asked. Why do we assume this is any less legitimate than something like Before The Moon?

Just found another morsel from Sweden on the same tour. "Walk Awhile", Ferry Over The Baltic" & "Tam Lin".  :)

Further investigation reveals that they are a legitimate US re-issue label who have released vintage studio sets by Loudon Wainwright III, Blood Sweat & Tears and Mama Cass amongst many others and they are also responsible for the Dick's Picks range of Grateful Dead archive live albums which are officially sanctioned by the band so it does not sound as though they are into dodgy licensing. Quite the reverse in fact.



Edit: Have just noticed that they are also the label responsible for the recent excellent reissues of the McGough & McGear album and Nils Lofgren's solo debut.

I have several Real Gone releases -all excellent in terms of music,presentation etc. They are also linked with the Second Disc website -which is highly recommended as a source of interesting information on re-issues.

http://theseconddisc.com/second-disc-records/full-catalog/

FWIW I've been happy with  t he few Collectors' Choice releases I've purchased.

What do we think about the comment that it sounds speeded (sped?) up - not sure myself but Simon and Swrab's voices seem a little high?

DW

Hopefully the CD will be speed-corrected.

Jules

I      d    o        h   o   p   e      s   o !  ;)

I had a 7" single of "Ballroom Blitz" that was definitely mastered at the wrong speed! Not quite "Pinky & Perky" vocals, but not far off!

If it is mastered at the wrong speed, there are tools like Goldwave that can be used to correct it.

True, but you'd hope that any mastering company worth its salt would do that bit for you.

Jules

The trouble is with recordings like this, there isn't really a 'right' speed....there's an approximation of what it might be, but it's hardly a precise science.  Just put 2 Deadheads in a room arguing about one of their old tape recordings that has just been digitised and see what happens...  All our ears (and brains) are different.

I guess, on the assumption that the instruments were properly in tune at the time of the recording (not necessarily a safe assumption, of course!!), the correct speed is the one at which the pitch of everything is where it should be.

If in doubt then "concert pitch" is a pretty good standby.

Jules

Yeah, if the original key is known of any particular track (by perhaps asking a band member), then just correct it to that key if necessary.

30-sec samples now on Amazon; mp3 download available... £5.99  CD out next week £13.81

Sound doesn't come over well, admittedly on little laptop speakers... Mason's Apron as fast as I've ever heard it played! I don't think that's a pressing/recording problem, as the other songs appear to be at the right tempo.

The version of 'The Journeyman's Grace' on this album gets going faster than I'm used to as it goes along. Perhaps they had an especially high level of energy that evening.

Well, it's release day, and so as you'd expect, the price has come down:-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B01EBB4N4W/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

Jules

My copy has just arrived. I have not listened yet but it has full sleevenotes including new interviews with Simon and Peggy and pictures supplied by Peggy and full credits and permissions everywhere, all of which gives the lie to any notion that this is an unauthorised release.

Really looking forward to giving it a spin and hearing some pyrotechnic Swarb in a few minutes.

Sorry to double post but, having now listened, I can confirm (as somebody has already observed about an unofficial release of this material), it rocks! It is indeed the rockingest set ever released under the Fairport banner (imo but by some considerable distance). Shame it isnt longer. Shame there is no Sloth but in all other respects it is absolutely bloody great!

OK then, I'll buy.

Jules

If it's as good as House Full, I'll have to have it.  ::)

Sorry,I'm very tired and just surfing t awhile , wondering why someone was asking me to live in Finland in 1971.
Foreign adventure and time travel. ::)

Too early to say. There is no RT on it of course. But it is not far off and is certainly louder and more uptempo than some of House Full. Only 36 minutes long, sadly.

What sort of pack is it in, Al? Jewel case?

Yep.

Good.  8)

Big typo in the first para in the booklet where it says Peggy is on the drums as well as Bass. Later it lists the musicians correctly.

Does it? I didn't notice that. I must look again.

Finally ordered it this morning.

Jules

Listened to it just.  Very entertaining.  Great, muscular performances.  But I can't help thinking that the tracklisting is all arse about tit.  Sir Pat is introduced as the last song, but here's it halfway through.  William Gower is terrific, but it sure doesn't sound like a final encore.  I'm thinking the gig must surely have gone: tracks 5-7 (Matty, Sir B McKenzie, William Gower); then 1-4 (Bridge, Journeyman, Mason's Apron, Sir Pat).  Anyone know for sure?  Any setlists from this period for clues?

Jules

House Full is similar - starts with Sir Patrick which is introduced as the final song.

Indeed, but then I never thought of House Full as attempting to accurately represent a single concert.

Jules

Why on earth not?

Why on earth not what?

Jules

...did you hold that view? Presumably. Gotta admit I was surprised by that statement too.

of course - what else?

House Full is clearly not a concert as it happens - it starts with the last song and at least one CD version ended with Yellow Bird!

Jules

So similar to this one then? :-)

Just received Live in Finland 1971 yesterday and listened to the whole thing during my evening and morning commutes.

Except for the loud hiss at the very beginning, it's a very solid recording.  I love the energy and volume.  In the booklet, Peggy and Simon discuss how much fun they had on stage back then, and how they enjoyed "showing off."  That's a great description of the performance.  5 out of 5 stars.

Being a cheapskate I ordered it via surface mail and thus only received it the other day; brilliant recording!

 
It's described in the Fairport unconventional book as being recorded over three nights. The running order varies across the three versions.

I assumed the intro to Sir Pat was some kind of joke by Simon. Isn't that quite a demanding song to finish off with?

Don't think so.

Jules

Whatever about the niceties of different versions, the one big thing I got from House Full was Battle of the Somme- Awesome

Indeed.  Such a moving tune.

Jules

I've got a copy of the bootleg too, so this is just another one with the same audio?

Great gig though...

j.

The samples on the 'zon don't sound any different to the boot

Haven't heard the boot but according to the sleeve notes this has been professionally remastered and as everyone above has said, this sounds great, very full and with a very satisfying bottom end which drives the whole thing along.

And yes, I do realise that the phrase "very satisfying bottom end" will now probably become by new custom title.  ::)