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Title: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on November 03, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
Agreeing to record A Sailor's Life, thus helping facilitate the birth of folk-rock, or splitting up Fotheringay, which opened the door for the Nine line up and allowed the band to continue and even flourish at a time when it looked like it might be curtains? Asking for a friend.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on November 03, 2016, 09:42:04 AM

Agreeing to record A Sailor's Life, thus helping facilitate the birth of folk-rock, or splitting up Fotheringay, which opened the door for the Nine line up and allowed the band to continue and even flourish at a time when it looked like it might be curtains? Asking for a friend.


Of the two, definitely the former as his motives for the latter move had nothing to do with any desire to extend Fairport's career at that point and everything to do with wanting to promote Sandy as a solo artist.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Will S on November 03, 2016, 10:19:02 AM
Definitely the former


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 03, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
The former.  Quite frankly I wish he'd kept his oar out of the whole Fotheringay affair - he left behind a bit of a mess.

His greatest achievement was probably discovering the band in the first place.  Oh, and Nick Drake.  And producing Pink Floyd's Arnold Layne.  And....   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: blagden on November 03, 2016, 11:19:01 AM
Wrote an excellent autobiography - White Bicycles I think?


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Dan O. on November 03, 2016, 12:08:57 PM

Wrote an excellent autobiography - White Bicycles I think?

Can highly recommend White Bicycles - any book that starts with the following intriguing first sentence warrants further investigation :

"The Sixties began in the summer of 1956, ended in October of 1973 and peaked just before dawn on 1 July, 1967 during a set by Tomorrow at the UFO Club in London."


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Alan2 on November 03, 2016, 03:59:28 PM
His worst move was not getting behind the reissue of ISB : U. Finally emerging In 2002, it was the last ISB album to appear in  digital form.

His best was discovering the band at all. If he really did, that is.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 03, 2016, 06:57:26 PM

Agreeing to record A Sailor's Life, thus helping facilitate the birth of folk-rock, or splitting up Fotheringay, which opened the door for the Nine line up and allowed the band to continue and even flourish at a time when it looked like it might be curtains? Asking for a friend.


Facilitating the birth of ENGLISH folk-rock, because I always think of The Byrds as the originators of the world version of folk-rock.
This is my opinion and not meant to start any arguments!


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 03, 2016, 07:37:56 PM

His worst move was not getting behind the reissue of ISB : U.


I'm thinking they could have released it without Joe's blessing.


Facilitating the birth of ENGLISH folk-rock, because I always think of The Byrds as the originators of the world version of folk-rock.
This is my opinion and not meant to start any arguments!


It's one I happen to agree with.

Jules


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Alan2 on November 04, 2016, 03:07:57 PM


His worst move was not getting behind the reissue of ISB : U.


I'm thinking they could have released it without Joe's blessing.


Jules


They did, but it would have happened much sooner if he'd approved of it. It wasn't just Joe. For some time WB wouldn't even admit they had it.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 04, 2016, 03:51:56 PM

They did, but it would have happened much sooner if he'd approved of it.


How?  The opinion of one ex-label man halting the reissue of a CD?  I very much doubt it.

Jules


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Alan2 on November 04, 2016, 04:21:43 PM


They did, but it would have happened much sooner if he'd approved of it.


How?  The opinion of one ex-label man halting the reissue of a CD?  I very much doubt it.

Jules


I only know what people tell me, Jules. At the time this was given to me  as one reason for the hold up.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: peter m on November 19, 2016, 03:15:05 PM
Getting Shoot Out The Lights out there was one of his best moves. What a good record.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: summer_soldier (Matt) on November 23, 2016, 03:03:11 PM
It may never have lasted anyway, but ending Fotheringay was (for me) a low point. If they'd carried on, I might actually have rated them on a par with Fairport, if not slightly higher *ducks for cover*


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Jim on November 23, 2016, 03:37:27 PM
Well, within a couple of years three of them they were reunited, along with the best fiddler and rythmn section in the business.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 23, 2016, 04:27:25 PM

It may never have lasted anyway, but ending Fotheringay was (for me) a low point. If they'd carried on, I might actually have rated them on a par with Fairport, if not slightly higher *ducks for cover*


Don't duck too far, I'm with you to take the flack!  :)


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Alan2 on November 24, 2016, 12:53:35 PM


It may never have lasted anyway, but ending Fotheringay was (for me) a low point. If they'd carried on, I might actually have rated them on a par with Fairport, if not slightly higher *ducks for cover*


Don't duck too far, I'm with you to take the flack!  :)


What do you guys think of Fotheringay 2 ? I enjoy it as much as a Fairport album. I don't mind that it's been dressed up a bit.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Dan O. on November 24, 2016, 01:10:45 PM



It may never have lasted anyway, but ending Fotheringay was (for me) a low point. If they'd carried on, I might actually have rated them on a par with Fairport, if not slightly higher *ducks for cover*


Don't duck too far, I'm with you to take the flack!  :)


What do you guys think of Fotheringay 2 ? I enjoy it as much as a Fairport album. I don't mind that it's been dressed up a bit.

Fotheringay 2's very enjoyable - as good a version of their proposed 2nd album as we're ever likely to get.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 24, 2016, 06:53:17 PM




It may never have lasted anyway, but ending Fotheringay was (for me) a low point. If they'd carried on, I might actually have rated them on a par with Fairport, if not slightly higher *ducks for cover*


Don't duck too far, I'm with you to take the flack!  :)


What do you guys think of Fotheringay 2 ? I enjoy it as much as a Fairport album. I don't mind that it's been dressed up a bit.

Fotheringay 2's very enjoyable - as good a version of their proposed 2nd album as we're ever likely to get.


I agree Dan.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: summer_soldier (Matt) on November 25, 2016, 08:55:41 AM



It may never have lasted anyway, but ending Fotheringay was (for me) a low point. If they'd carried on, I might actually have rated them on a par with Fairport, if not slightly higher *ducks for cover*


Don't duck too far, I'm with you to take the flack!  :)


What do you guys think of Fotheringay 2 ? I enjoy it as much as a Fairport album. I don't mind that it's been dressed up a bit.


I love it, but then I love the "dressed up" Gold Dust too, so I'm clearly not a purist! My favourite Fairport line-up (not that, having been born in 1980, I saw any of them really) is the Four Play one, so obviously I'm a big Swarb fan. Fotheringay had *so* much promise though.


Title: Re: What was Joe Boyd's best move?
Post by: davidmjs on November 25, 2016, 09:07:53 AM

My favourite Fairport line-up (not that, having been born in 1980, I saw any of them really) is the Four Play one


Ditto...and luckily for me (13 years older) they were the first lot I saw (half a dozen times from '81 to '85ish).