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[Al]

Hi Henrik,

life and work have finally left me with enough energy in an evening to sit down and tab ( soem of ) "Red And Gold". I was going to tab it all but couldn't be arsed    So, I've tabbed the intrumental intro and musical intelrude, which is the same as the chorus except when playing the chorus you don't play the melody. Also tabbed is a typical verse. The other kind of chorus is as per the chords earlier in this thread. These bits should enable you to fill in the missing pieces 

I have attached a .txt version of the tab ( Red and gold.txt ) and also have attached the .tef file which, as usual, can be watched and listened to by downloading the TEFView program from www.tabledit.com. To do this the file will need renaming when saved to your hard disk with the suffix .tef instead of .txt

I have had to do this cos you can only attach .txt files to these messages.

As usual this is how I play it, its a long while since I sat studying Ralph playing it so variations will have crept in.

Have fun 





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[Henrik]

Hi Henrik,

life and work have finally left me with enough energy in an evening to sit down and tab ( soem of ) "Red And Gold". I was going to tab it all but couldn't be arsed    So, I've tabbed the intrumental intro and musical intelrude, which is the same as the chorus except when playing the chorus you don't play the melody. Also tabbed is a typical verse. The other kind of chorus is as per the chords earlier in this thread. These bits should enable you to fill in the missing pieces

I have attached a .txt version of the tab ( Red and gold.txt ) and also have attached the .tef file which, as usual, can be watched and listened to by downloading the TEFView program from www.tabledit.com. To do this the file will need renaming when saved to your hard disk with the suffix .tef instead of .txt

I have had to do this cos you can only attach .txt files to these messages.

As usual this is how I play it, its a long while since I sat studying Ralph playing it so variations will have crept in.

Have fun 

Wow, that is so great, Al !  Thank you sooo much for all your efforts  

Yes, I am sure I shall have great "fun"    And guess I shall be able to figure out
what little is misssing - helps a lot when you get the general picking idea and progression.

Ah, yes -  I remember "us" having had that problem before with attached files of other types.
What a good thing that computers are really stupid, eh ?  
And I actually already have TEFview installed - as well as Guitar Pro 4 *) - maybe it can
read TEF-files too ?  I will try.

From what I have heard previously I am sure your version will be excellent and pretty close
to Roger's Ralph's - and thus a great source of inspiration and guidance to me.
Just don't expect me to have it all ready by next week, ok ?  


Henrik

PS. Did you ever manage to catch that one (GP4), when I uploaded it for you ?
Just curious as to what you think about it  ....

PPS.  How's dat didgeridoo coming along btw. ?

[Al]

Hi Henrik, haven't had time to try GP4, time is so short that I tend to cram as much actual playing into what tiem I get, I'm bursting full of ideas for my new cd which I am all set to record but can't get the time - I booked a rmeote cottage in Wales with great acoustics over Easter to disappear and produce my 'masterpiece' (    ) but instead took the kids for exciting hikes around the mountains of Snowdonia through blizzards and hailstones the size of marbles - great fun    I WILL try out GP4, honestly 

[MAJ]

Err, please Mister Al, can I be the first in the queue for a singed signed copy of your CD.  I thought your pieces on the "Our Side of Your Stage" CD were fab.

MAJ
A fan

[Al]

Err, please Mister Al, can I be the first in the queue for a singed signed copy of your CD. I thought your pieces on the "Our Side of Your Stage" CD were fab.

MAJ
A fan

MAJ you are a wag      But, yes, you can have one signed, or singed for that matter 

[Henrik]

Hi Henrik, haven't had time to try GP4, time is so short that I tend to cram as much actual playing into what tiem I get, I'm bursting full of ideas for my new cd which I am all set to record but can't get the time - I booked a rmeote cottage in Wales with great acoustics over Easter to disappear and produce my 'masterpiece' (    ) but instead took the kids for exciting hikes around the mountains of Snowdonia through blizzards and hailstones the size of marbles - great fun -  I WILL try out GP4, honestly 

Hi Al - ah, that's ok - I was just wondering and curious to hear your views ..... 
Your playing  - and kids - are of course more important ! So does any of your children
seem to follow in your foot steps with respect to musical interest and wanting to learn to play etc. ?

Your plans of recording a new CD sounds very exciting, but what is it about remote cottages in Wales !?!??!! 
That part sounds strangely familiar somehow .....   

I think you are very right to put your childen first, and anyway judging from your discriptions of that amazing landscape
and wild nature I guess you will soon feel a new song coming on     And at least you didn't try putting up a tent
in a blizzard unlike certain other people ....  DOH  ! 

Wishing you all the time and calm nesc. for recording
Henrik

PS. So would you use your PC as a recording studio or would you have other equipment ?

[Henrik]

tryinng to knit a Tanglewood....but just keep tangling my knitting!

A Tanglewood ?  Is that a guitar brand ?  ( and a pun  )

H.

Sure is and sure is.  A good one too on both counts.

Does that make sense?

 
Don't encourage me when it comes to puns!  I perpetually needle my family with them, when I'm not pulling the wool over their eyes, and getting them in stitches.   
To get this 'thread' back on track - I don't think I'll ever be able to play "That'll do, Babe" with any degree of competence...I'm stilll working on the twiddly "F#" bit of "Ferryman".  I live in hope though!

Why not ?  I love puns 


"I don't think I'll ever be able to play "That'll do, Babe" with any degree of competence ...."
Hmm, guess you will either just have to practice some more then ......  OR  .......

maybe we could ask Ralph to write a really easy version called "That's enough, Geoff"  ? 

"I live in hope though!"
OK, keep hoping - and practicing too !

Henrik

[MAJ]

I think I will ask Ralph next weekend to take a look at this topic.  It will make him smile and you never know, "That's Enough, Geoff" may end up on the next CD.

[Al]

Hi Al - ah, that's ok - I was just wondering and curious to hear your views ..... Your playing - and kids  - are of course more important ! So does any of your children
seem to follow in your foot steps with respect to musical interest and wanting to learn to play etc. ?

Your plans of recording a new CD sounds very exciting, but what is it about remote cottages in Wales !?!??!!
That part sounds strangely familiar somehow .....
I think you are very right to put your childen first, and anyway judging from your discriptions of that amazing landscape
and wild nature I guess you will soon feel a new song coming on And at least you didn't try putting up a tent
in a blizzard unlike certain other people .... DOH !

Wishing you all the time and calm nesc. for recording
Henrik

PS. So would you use your PC as a recording studio or would you have other equipment ?

Cottages in Wales, yes it does have a familair ring about it doesn't it    I first hiked my way round N Wales in the mid 70's, staying in Youth Hostels and I've been in love with the area ever since. Believe me, I have erected many a tent in a blizzard, or rahter tried to, its jsut I;ve got more sensible with age !

For recording I lug a 16 track digital recorder around, the AW16G by Yamaha, I use about 2% of its facilities I fear cos I am still a techinical luddite, ie I record 'performances', I don't mess about with all that editing malarkey and things   But, its eq presets and reverb are really good and easy to use, and easier to carry aroudn than a pc  

I have two sons and both are very responsive to music, but apart form doodling on any guitars lying around, neither seem particularly precocious about it at the moment, but give it time, if they become interested there's guitars and things for them to pick and play any time they want to   Whenever I have to stay away they both tell me that the sound of me playing my guitar downstairs whilst they are falling asleep is what they miss the most, which fills me up a bit I have to say. I play about two hours an evening on average, often into the early hours if the mood takes me and they've grown up with so I guess the place seems quiet without me  

[david stevenson]

Gosh Al

Both sympathise and empathise.  Don't have the same distractions with my children these days as they are both independent in every way except financially, but business is a big impediment.

I've been working in parallel on two projects since I got my Boss 1180CD earlier this year - a simple demo with blended vocal and guitar tracks to send out to clubs, then for the longer term a produced version of the same songs for issue as a CD later in the year.  However, every time I think I've got the set order right, out pops a new song, like the one I wrote while travelling in the US in the last two weeks.  Then I buy myself a new guitar and I just know that they will all sound better on the Taylor.....

I work in the electronics industry where we have a saying that the only way to release a product is to shoot the engineer in charge.  I see parallels!!!

I need to get a cottage in Wales too or this will never get done.

Oh, and Maj, I did the gig in Dallas, at the bluegrass club in Lakewood.  It went down surprisingly well, given the CW style of everyone else, and with a brand new guitar.  The song that got them going was the new one "From Detroit to Dallas" which is actually highly critical of the US govt, if indirectly, so you can't generalise about Americans, even in Texas.  No piccies - we forgot the camera.....

David

[Al]

Hi David, sounds like you had quite a happy trip all in all  I keep thinking I should back into the clubs again, its just over ten years since I last made a live solo appearance but I am getting the old urge When I do get my new recordings done, hopefully sooner rather than later, I'll post a couple of links up here and you can critique them for me    How'd you get on with customs ?

[Al]

Doh !

Just played my tab for "Red And Gold" and realized I had mis-transcribed the bass notes I play in the second bar. I've placed them on the 4th string but I actually play them on the third - of course, you will all have noticed this 

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[david stevenson]

Hi David, sounds like you had quite a happy trip all in all  I keep thinking I should back into the clubs again, its just over ten years since I last made a live solo appearance but I am getting the old urge When I do get my new recordings done, hopefully sooner rather than later, I'll post a couple of links up here and you can critique them for me    How'd you get on with customs ?

Al

I got back into playing clubs a couple of years ago after a 20 year hiatus, which coincided with a rich vein of songwriting form which shows no signs of drying up, thankfully.  Played a lot at St Neots, my local club, and have gradually spread to Cambridge, Wisbech, Ely etc.  When you get a standing ovation at Cambridge you know your songs are ok!  I also made a conscious decision last year that I wasn't going to do covers any more, to force me to showcase my own songs and get them polished to the best of my ability.

However, I still listen, copy and steal from my mentors, especially Ralph - that's where all of my bass runs in D come from!

Business has to come first, that's reality, but I want to get to the stage where my songs get the recognition even if I don't personally.  I'm under pressure to get some product out there, and hope to have a site up soon, plus as I've said earlier a demo and in due course a properly produced CD.

Let's swap MP3's when we're ready.

Customs didn't ask, I didn't tell - I got an old but sound Taylor case when I bought the guitar.  So a real bargain in the end.

Stay in touch, it would be nice to get together some time and swap some tunes.

David

[Henrik]

Doh !

Just played my tab for "Red And Gold" and realized I had mis-transcribed the bass notes I play in the second bar. I've placed them on the 4th string but I actually play them on the third - of course, you will all have noticed this 

Amended version attached 

OK, thanks a lot, Al  - I will try how that sounds in a moment.

Btw. I really love that 4xxxx5 in the second half of the first bar. I had completely missed that in the small parts that I had
worked out by myself, but it gives the intro so much more atmosphere with that deep base.

I guess I shall have to investigate the possibilities of this special tuning further, as I get used to the dropped-D "weirdities"
differences.

Cheers
Henrik

[MAJ]

Oh, and Maj, I did the gig in Dallas, at the bluegrass club in Lakewood.

Superb but Grrrr about not having the camera!!  When are you going to be 'live' here...?

and in due course a properly produced CD

Now listen, I'm already in the queue for a 'singed' copy of Al's new CD but I've put an old bag in my place (she doesn't mind, honest) and I've joined the queue for yours.  So, Mister David, I want one of yours too, y'hear y'all...

MAJ 
CD Collector

[Geoff]

I think I will ask Ralph next weekend to take a look at this topic.  It will make him smile and you never know, "That's Enough, Geoff" may end up on the next CD.

  

Still practising. Need more fingers on my left hand.  Any ideas?

Geoff

[Henrik]

I think I will ask Ralph next weekend to take a look at this topic.  It will make him smile and you never know, "That's Enough, Geoff" may end up on the next CD.

  

Still practising. Need more fingers on my left hand.  Any ideas?

Geoff

Nice to hear that you are keeping it up, Geoff.

In my experience it often helps, if you start looking for different ways of
"fingering" the chords  - even swapping version of a chord within a bar ! - ,
or only use as much of them - maybe only a string or two - as is needed in the situation.
But you probably already know this ?

Would like to lend you a hand finger, but I really need them all myself, you see 

H.

 

[david stevenson]

Oh, and Maj, I did the gig in Dallas, at the bluegrass club in Lakewood.

Superb but Grrrr about not having the camera!!  When are you going to be 'live' here...?

and in due course a properly produced CD

Now listen, I'm already in the queue for a 'singed' copy of Al's new CD but I've put an old bag in my place (she doesn't mind, honest) and I've joined the queue for yours.  So, Mister David, I want one of yours too, y'hear y'all...

MAJ 
CD Collector

Thanks for the order Maj.  That's you and my mum then!

David


MAJ adds:  so that's handbags at dawn then....

[Henrik]

...as the set wore on he seemed to be having more and more troubles with it, constantly retunign it and examining the bridge, and it obviously unsettled him.

Very interesting, Al - thanks 

Wondering how a guitar can suddenly turn out so wrong ?  Maybe a string that
wasn't attached properly ? Or a faulty mechanic ? Guess we have all had days where
the guitar seemed difficult to tune. ( The trick about bending a string when inserting it
in the tuning mechanic seems to have done wonders for me - I never really knew the correct way
before that, I have to admit )

While visiting that site I noticed that they actually have back packer Martins, ie. mini guitars with respect
to sound case. Very cute - didn't know they act. existed, but have often thought it would be a great
thing to have.

http://www.guitarshop.dk/product.asp?product=1687

Have you ever had any chance to hear one of those ? And what was you reaction ?

Obviously they can't have the same big sound as the "real thing" - ? - , but what if you built
a small (battery run) amp into them ?  Maybe you could even reduce the guitar to just a finger board with strings ? -
One you could take apart (2) for transport purposes ?  I bet a lot of people would love that, especially those of us
who have had to carry a guitar bag with its heavy content around by hand for a long time while on "tour" *LOL*


Henrik

MAJ says: Quote above is by Al, taken from his post in Counting Guitars. I've moved this response as guitar chat was more appropriate here...Some subsequent posts also moved here.

[Paul]

I have got the Troubadour back packer guitar, which is similar. It does not have a pickup, but you can egt ones with a pickup in.

Paul