Guitarist's Forum

[Henrik]

Well actually, Henrik (and thank you for your reply), I would only use the keyboard for the convenience of the software, the guitar is my preferred instrument, but I only play acoustic.

Do you reckon I can play into my computer via a mic, and have it written out in standard notation? This would save me so much time if this is possible

Well, so do I - that would certainly be interesting, Rory.
Hadn't really thought about that possibility.

I assume it would be possible via some clever spectral
analysis, but I don't know if it has actually been done.
Wouldn't be surprised though, if it has.

Will check it out  

[Henrik]

Well actually, Henrik (and thank you for your reply), I would only use the keyboard for the convenience of the software, the guitar is my preferred instrument, but I only play acoustic.

Do you reckon I can play into my computer via a mic, and have it written out in standard notation? This would save me so much time if this is possible

Well, so do I - that would certainly be interesting, Rory.
Hadn't really thought about that possibility.

I assume it would be possible via some clever spectral
analysis, but I don't know if it has actually been done.
Wouldn't be surprised though, if it has.

Will check it out  

Some programs that may be of interest :

http://widisoft.com/english/mp3-midi-products.html

http://seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html


Debate about why this is such a hard problem - esp. for certain
types of music ( more complex with many instruments and
lots of percussion on top of it ).

http://ask.metafilter.com/35657/Musical-spectrum-analyzer
http://widisoft.com/english/mp3-midi-products.html

Anyone else here who knows anything about this or even have any
experiences using such amazing programs ?

H.

[Rory.]

Thanks, Henrik.

I use Audacity for working out songs, you can slow down a selected 'chunk' of the music without lowering the pitch - this works really well and makes life a lot easier when it comes to working out what other musicians are doing (of course with 'folk' guitar it helps enormously if you know what tuning they are using  )

I can understand the difficulities involved with software writing from a performance, but I suppose that is the goal we are shooting for  

[Paul]

If you plug a MIDI keyboard into your computer, Sibelius will convert the files to notation for you. You have to play very mechanically, and without expression, otherwise it tends to give some very odd looking notes. Casio used to do a MIDI guitar, which should work, but I don't think they are produced now.

Sibelius will also allow you to scan in printed music.

Paul

[Henrik]

If you plug a MIDI keyboard into your computer, Sibelius will convert the files to notation for you. You have to play very mechanically, and without expression, otherwise it tends to give some very odd looking notes. Casio used to do a MIDI guitar, which should work, but I don't think they are produced now.

Sibelius will also allow you to scan in printed music.

Paul

Thanks, Paul -  yes, brilliant idea (scan) - like OCR for text, of course !
( hmm, wond. if that infringes any potential copyrights ? prob. does )

Or maybe one of them weird X-Box guitars ?     ( if you have an X-box, that is )

[Chris]

The only tune lines that don't go below middle C are:

Arthur Blake
Barges
England 1914
I'm Sorry I Must Leave
In The Dreamtime
Now This Has Started
Summer Girls
Summer Lightning
Wino And The Mouse (piccolo part)

The other 32 songs/instrumentals all go below middle C at some point in the keys they are written/printed, so you would have to transpose them.

Hope this helps...

Thanks for taking the time to check for me Maj (not too sure about Henrik's suggestion though!   ).

Sounds as if it's probably not worth me buying it, unfortunately.   I'll just have to keep on trying to work the tunes out by ear.


Thanks again,

Naomi

 And I recall that you can get a CD with midi-versions of these songs from Roger.
 

Who's Roger?  

THat'd be Ralph's good mate Roger Brown.....

[Domenico Mosca]

Hi folkies, someone can help me to found the tab of Dry Bone Rag?
TY
Domenico

[Henrik]

Hi folkies, someone can help me to found the tab of Dry Bone Rag?
TY
Domenico

Hi Domenico  

I used to have one, which I think was pretty accurate
in most places ( just a few timing issues in some spots ).

Will see if I can find it again - it's on some CD somewhere
in my mess *LOL* So it may be faster to locate it again
on the web or on p2p, so I shall try that as well. I recall that it
was for one of the guitar tab programs - guitarpro, I believe.

Have patience with me, please  

Henrik

[Henrik]

Hi folkies, someone can help me to found the tab of Dry Bone Rag?
TY
Domenico

Hi again Domenico  

It's your lucky day today - I have actually managed to find it.  


It's in the archive called "Divers3.zip" on this page :   ( a bit more than 1/3 down )

http://www.angelfire.com/music2/blackmack/main.html



You can get a free viewer / player for this file format (.tef), called TefView, here :

http://www.tabledit.com/tefview/download.shtml

It's also possible to print it from this program - I just did.


And there is a tab editor here :

http://www.tabledit.com/index.shtml  ( also as a demo version )



Thanks for reminding me, Domenico - I have been meaning to refind it for
some time to give it another try. It's beginning to look more plausible for
me. I even believe it's the same version as the one I used to have some time ago.
It sounds ok to me apart from those small timing problems in a few places -
it's probably just hard to get a 100 % right timing in notes, so don't worry
about that - you will see / hear what I mean.


Enjoy - keep picking and you will get there
Henrik

[Domenico Mosca]

Thank you Henrik!!!  
Domenico

[Henrik]

Thank you Henrik!!!  
Domenico

You are welcome  

I expect of course that we shall soon
be seeing you play it on YouTube  


'Enrico  

[Rory.]

Thanks Henrik, I've been messing around with a few of those tunes this morning.


Just a tip for those who may be interested;

I couldn't find a way to slow the tempo down in the tab editor itself, but I recorded the audio onto Audacity and you can slow it down there without changing the pitch.

Record onto Audacity in the normal way, and then;

Highlight the section you want to slow down by 'click and drag'.

Click the "Effect" dropdown menu and choose "Change Tempo" (NB, not 'Change Speed')

Use the slider to slow the piece down (don't go overboard with this though, it sounds like you are under water if you slow it down by more than, say, 25%)


I've used this method lots of times to work out tunes from CDs by ear, it's even easier when you've got the tab in front of you!  

[Henrik]

Thanks Henrik, I've been messing around with a few of those tunes this morning.


Just a tip for those who may be interested;

I couldn't find a way to slow the tempo down in the tab editor itself, but I recorded the audio onto Audacity and you can slow it down there without changing the pitch.

Record onto Audacity in the normal way, and then;

Highlight the section you want to slow down by 'click and drag'.

Click the "Effect" dropdown menu and choose "Change Tempo" (NB, not 'Change Speed')

Use the slider to slow the piece down (don't go overboard with this though, it sounds like you are under water if you slow it down by more than, say, 25%)


I've used this method lots of times to work out tunes from CDs by ear, it's even easier when you've got the tab in front of you!  

Great, Rory  

Well, you can actually change the pace of the metronome in that program.
I tried reducing it to half the normal speed to better be able to hear what is going on.
Go to Play / Midi Options in the Tef-viewer to adjust it.

Yes, it helps a lot when you can hear it played - and pref. at a much slower pace  
Thanks for the tip.

Happy picking
H.

[Rory.]

Well, you can actually change the pace of the metronome in that program.
I tried reducing it to half the normal speed to better be able to hear what is going on.
Go to Play / Midi Options in the Tef-viewer to adjust it.

Even better

[jb]

Hi, can anyone help me with tab for 'A feather fell'

[Al]

Hi, can anyone help me with tab for 'A feather fell'

Here goes .................I've just pasted it in from notepad and I can see its done some odd things with the spacing but it should be ok to follow still :-)

Capo 4th fret

Arrangement is similar to that for "After Rain", it uses the same A chord with a bass run down to a D7 with the bass note fretted on the second fret of the sixth string.

The notes with a stem are played with the thumb, of course.

It starts on a simple D chord using the open fourth string as the bass and alternating this with a kind of Em7 chord made by taking your second finger of the second fret third string and putting it on the second fret fifth string... repeated x times this makes for the intro

                 /H                                                         /H
-----------0--2------|--------------------|-----------0--2------|--------------------|
---------3---------3-|--------------3-----|---------3---------3-|---------------3----|
------2---------2----|---------0----------|------2---------2----|---------0----------|
-0----|----0----|----|------0----------0--|-0----|----0----|----|------0----------0--|
-|---------|---------|-2----|----2-----|--|-|---------|---------|-2----|---- 2-----|-|
---------------------|-|---------|--------|---------------------|-|--------- |-------|



The verse is simple, I have tabbed a sort of typical picking pattern but Ralph is not a robot, as indeed neither is anyone
else, and so to make it sound effective you need to add occasional notes where they seem to fit, mainly on the third and second  
strings. A hammer-on from the open third to the second fret third string is an obvious embellishment to add from time to time.
Its hard to tab something thats sort of instinctive once you start playing it.


Verse



--------------2------|--------------------|----------------------|-------------------|
---------3---------3-|--------------3-----|----------2-----------|-3-----------------|
------2---------2----|---------0----------|----2----------2------|-2------------2----|
-0----|----0----|----|------0----------0--|-------2----------2---|-----0-----------0-|
-|---------|---------|-2----|----2-----|--|-0-----|----------|---|-----|-----------|-|
---------------------|-|---------|--------|-|-----------3--------|-2---------2-------|
                                                        |          |         |


---------------------|--------------------|----------------------|-------------------|
-----------h---0-----|---------3----------|---------0------------|--------0--------2-|
---------0--2--------|---2---------2------|---0-----------0------|---0---------------|
------0----------0---|------0----------0--|------2-----------0---|-----0-----------2-|
------|----------|---|------|----------|--|------|-----------|---|-----|-----0-----|-|
-3----------3--------|-2---------2--------|-0----------2---------|-3---------|-------|
 |         |           |         |          |          |           |  



--------------2------|--------------------|----------------------|-------------------|
---------3---------3-|--------------3-----|-2----------2---------|--------3----------|
------2---------2----|--------------------|-2--------------------|-2------------2----|
-0----|----0----|----|------0----------0--|-------2----------2---|-----0-----------0-|
-|---------|---------|-2----|----2-----|--|-0-----|----------|---|-----|-----------|-|
---------------------|-|---------|--------|-|----------3---------|-2---------2-------|
                                                       |           |         |


---------------------|--------------------|----------------------|-------------------|
-------------------0-|---------3----------|----------3-----------|---------3---------|
-------------0-------|---2----------------|---0------------------|---2---------------|
------0---------0----|------0----------0--|-------0----------0---|------0----------0-|
------|---------|----|------|----------|--|-------|----------|---|------|----------|-|
-3---------3---------|-2---------2--------|-3----------3---------|-2----------2------|
 |         |           |         |          |          |           |          |


---------------------|--------------------|----------------------|-----------------h-|
---------3-----------|---------3----------|----------0-----------|----------------2-3|
---0-----------------|---2----------------|---0----------0-------|--------0----------|
------0----------0---|------0----------0--|-------2----------0---|-----0----------2--|
------|----------|---|------|----------|--|-------|----------|---|-----|-----0-----|-|
-3---------3---------|-2---------2--------|-0----------2---------|-3---------|-------|
 |         |           |         |          |          |           |        


----0----------------
---------3--2--------
---------------------
------2---------2----
-0----|-----0---|----
-|----------|--------
       

[jb]

Al, thanks for this I'll let you know how I get on

JB

[lucienne]

Are there any chords for "All Things Change" in these 38 pages....
I still cant do it after all these years  
Thanks,
L.

[A french fan]

It' s impossible for me to find the chords of "kew garden"

Is there here somebody who can post these chords

Thanks to you

[Al]

Isn't this in one of the tab books... or is my memory wrong ? I've never tried playing it 'm afraid