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« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2007, 08:22:00 PM »


I like the cover art!

The favoured few hew have heard the white label version seem to like it. I look forward to buying and hearing mine.



The "favoured" few (on the FC list) have slagged us off for not liking the cover and being disappointed with the track listing (those who have), and said that it's the "usual" good stuff.

In other words "more of the same". So we're supposed to be delighted with that, are we? What's the point of buying a new album if it's more of the same?

Anyhow, I suspend judgement on the music itself until I hear some of it - but it's still a god-awful cover  Grin
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« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2007, 06:12:36 AM »

A theoretical Q - would people prefer the cover if the actual photo had been used, rather than a painted version which makes the band members look a bit skewiff?  I admit I quite like the "idea" of the cover and the humour behind it, but the above is my main issue with it.

Entirely secondary to the actual music itself, of course, which I very much look forward to hearing.
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« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2007, 08:48:09 AM »


A theoretical Q - would people prefer the cover if the actual photo had been used, rather than a painted version which makes the band members look a bit skewiff?  I admit I quite like the "idea" of the cover and the humour behind it, but the above is my main issue with it.



Difficult to say without having seen it, but I'd say 'no'....personally I think the idea behind it is the thing which keeps it as a kind of 'in the know' secret for true Fairport fans, and makes this such a lost opportunity (how many times are Fairport going to have all the publicity associated with a 40th anniversary again?).  The fact that the execution of it is so horrifically hackneyed only adds to the misery.
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« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2007, 11:12:43 AM »

Here they are in the same clothes as in the painting...

http://www.fairportconvention.com/fcinvan500.jpg
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« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2007, 12:12:14 PM »


Here they are in the same clothes as in the painting...

http://www.fairportconvention.com/fcinvan500.jpg


Actually on reflection...the painting is a pretty accurate representation  Grin Grin
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« Reply #105 on: January 07, 2007, 01:41:32 PM »



All good guesses, I reckon, Tasha - except for the native American, which I think might be to do with the American Civil War. Not sure, and you may be right.


Tasha??



I presume the green man is there as a reference to the "folk" side of their music
Who is the Alice in wonderland look a like? Sandy??? Undecided
Is the pirate there as a reference to many of their seafaring type songs?
Is the native American there because of Chris playing the Native Americanflute?
is the man with the beard Vasco de Gama discoverer of India- the jewel in the crown?


Yup.....Tasha!!!

I've actually changed my opinion from the above - I think (and well done to those who have associated these already, especially Dad V, good spot!) the non-FC people are all associated with the tracks on the album and the stories they tell.

I quite like the cover & am in Yobb's, Bob's & Martin's boat on this....looking forward to picking up a copy in 25 days time!
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« Reply #106 on: January 07, 2007, 01:52:09 PM »



Here they are in the same clothes as in the painting...

http://www.fairportconvention.com/fcinvan500.jpg


Actually on reflection...the painting is a pretty accurate representation  Grin Grin



I've been reading this thread with much amusement.  I think what it clearly shows is that likenesses of people you've seen and care about in real life are difficult to acheive.  My wife and I are both Art teachers, and her comment is that Simon "looks more like the Travelocity gnome" than like Simon.  What I will
suggest that everyone who is disturbed by the images' distortion do is take a
sheet of paper and cover half of each face and you will find that there is half of a good likeness in each portrait.  The two that the distortion bothers me most on are Ric and Simon who really look unlike themselves until I cover the left hand side of their faces.  Peggy looks spot on to me in terms of his expression, although that might scare some people, it seems to suit his personality--and yet the distortion is still present on the left hand side of his face.  Chris and Gerry look "less unlike" themselves to my eye than Ric and Simon in the image, and the covering half of their faces doesn't seem to help as much in seeing them if you don't already.

In terms of the composition, it is way too cluttered and busy, and I agree that whatever sword/weapon it is that cuts across the face of the green man should
not have been left to look like it protrudes from Ric's head.

As far as the query about whether or not the photo of the same thing would have been preferable, I say "yes".  Like the concept or not, a photo wouldn't have caused the same distortions that make these people we care about look like demented versions of themselves.  However, if they had done a cartoony non-realistic attempt at the same thing, I might be able to enjoy the image a great deal more.  

As others have stated, I will not allow the cover image/concept/execution to keep me from purchasing and judging the music on its own merits, which I expect
to be high based on the past acheivements of the musicians involved.
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« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2007, 01:53:32 PM »

MMMmmm........I think that it looks like a dog's dinner of a cover. I will no doubt purchase it as soon as I see it though - I always do.

I just hope I am not as disappointed as I normally am with the musical content.
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« Reply #108 on: January 07, 2007, 02:02:52 PM »


MMMmmm........I think that it looks like a dog's dinner of a cover. I will no doubt purchase it as soon as I see it though - I always do.

I just hope I am not as disappointed as I normally am with the musical content.


I like the expression "dog's dinner" as that reminds me of the fact that this is slightly reminiscent of the poker playing dogs image.

However, if you continue to buy music you are normally disappointed in, there seems to be a bit of Pavlov's dog (trained impulse) in you.  I continue to buy because I have not been disappointed in the music.  Does that mean I like 100% of every album?  No, but the majority of the music is of a quality that allows me to put up with an occasional ho-hum or duff track.  I still feel as though the lesser Fairport tracks are at least listenable, and there is no significant number of
poor tracks.
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« Reply #109 on: January 07, 2007, 04:25:25 PM »


MMMmmm........I think that it looks like a dog's dinner of a cover. I will no doubt purchase it as soon as I see it though - I always do.

I just hope I am not as disappointed as I normally am with the musical content.

 
my feelings exactly



  if you continue to buy music you are normally disappointed in, there seems to be a bit of Pavlov's dog (trained impulse) in you.  



No, its not that at all, whilst having been disappointed be fairports output for the last  two decades i will continue to support the band who i have loved since 1970, through good times and bad as they have rarely let me down live and 13 quid every couple of years is a small price to pay if it helps keep the chaps afloat
 
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« Reply #110 on: January 07, 2007, 07:02:32 PM »

A mate of mine (who is a HUGE Jethro Tull fan, just to put this in context-although he didnt recognise Gerry, which loses him points), posted the following elsewhere, his tongue is firmly in his cheek, hope you enjoy as much as I did...



Imagined conversation at Fairport Towers in Cropredy, late 2006:

Simon Nicol: 'Well, lads, the new album's nearly finished, time to think about the cover. Will it be the usual leaves-surounding-acoustic-guitar-and-a-fiddle' type of thing? Should we have a horse or even some horses, or dogs, maybe, in a field perhaps?

Ric Saunders: 'That's all so boring. I'm fed up of meeting fans who don't even know we have a new album out. How can we get people talking about the album, ideally in the 35+ male hoary old rock fan sector of the audience which has always been our target?'.

Simon Nicol: 'Well, we can't afford a freelance marketing team, since we spent all that money on period instruments for that song about badgers (hard stare at Chris Leslie). Dave, you were in Jethro Tull, how does rock genius Ian Anderson apply his mighty brain to tackling this sort of problem?'

Dave Pegg: Well, lads, you may not like it, but Ian always makes sure he has specially designed for the band the worst album covers you could possibly imagine, and he makes certain the band is photographed looking like utter twannets who've just kecked our trousers. That got the fans talking in a 'how are the mighty fallen' mode, and you picked up a good few sympathy buyers as well who assume we can't possibly be as bad as we look. I happen to have brought along a few examples, anticipating that this thorny issue might come up...''.











(excited murmuring from around the table)

Whoever-the-Fairport-drummer-is-these-days: 'Like it, like it! I certainly always used to look at these Tull efforts and then praise God I wasn't in that band (assuming I wasn't, which is ******g unlikely come to think about it)... But it got me wondering about it, it got the album noticed! I mean, I don't think anyone at this table even remembers what our last album was called, and that can't be right (looks round table at averted eyes and embarrassed coughing). I think it's a winner! But can we come up with something so utterly, utterly naff that it will do the trick?'

Simon Nicol: 'Yes we can! We'll give it the old Fairport spirit! We SHALL come up with an album cover so putrid that come the February 2007 release date, a large percentage of our 35-60+ target audience of sad blokes with beer bellies WILL know it, WILL be talking about it, they WILL be able to recognise it anywhere as the Naff New Fairport Album! And we'll have photos taken that by comparison will make Jethro Tull look like the ******g some-new-band-who-look-young-and-trendy-and-preferably-female!'

Dave Pegg: 'Oh God, what have I done...?'
Rest-of-band: 'You really have kecked your pants this time Dave! Har harr har har har!'



and Fairport were better than their word, and the new album, A Sense of Occasion, did NOT die, for in the words of marketing and musical genius Ian Anderson:

They were toooooo oh oh old
To rock and ro ro roll
But they were too young to die.


please note: Fairport have never recorded a song about badgers on period instruments as far as I am aware - I made it up for comedic effect.
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« Reply #111 on: January 07, 2007, 07:32:22 PM »

I really want to hear a song about badgers now.
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« Reply #112 on: January 07, 2007, 07:35:55 PM »

You're right, Keith, a badgers song! That's what we're missing!
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« Reply #113 on: January 07, 2007, 07:36:23 PM »

Or a sett of tunes?
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« Reply #114 on: January 07, 2007, 07:37:26 PM »

Nice one! Let's make a new sett list.
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« Reply #115 on: January 07, 2007, 07:53:24 PM »


You're right, Keith, a badgers song! That's what we're missing!


http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/  

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« Reply #116 on: January 07, 2007, 08:36:35 PM »

Is the badger related to the Sloth?
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« Reply #117 on: January 07, 2007, 08:49:47 PM »

The Cropredy Badger, hang on don't that ring a bell?
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« Reply #118 on: January 07, 2007, 08:57:16 PM »

Sir Martin, loved the imaginary conversation by your friend...it has lightened up the atmosphere on here.
As a not very artistic person, I see the new cover as being a bit too "busy" -  it does rather stand in contrast to the previous cover on Over The Next Hill, which was fairly minimalist (distant figures, recognizable even without full facial features).
Looking forward very much to having a copy; I will remember the Tull cover conversation and it will make me laugh rather than wince whilst I am unwrapping the CD and getting ready to feast my ears!
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« Reply #119 on: January 07, 2007, 09:07:49 PM »


a large percentage of our 35-60+ target audience of sad blokes with beer bellies


Alright, count me in...  Tongue

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