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« on: March 12, 2007, 09:13:14 PM »

Red and Gold. Great tune, well sung, magnificently played. The words send shivers down the spine. I've never heard it played at Cropredy as the sun goes down but hope to.

And yet...on a day when there would be a lot of activity about, and his fellow villagers a bit apprehensive to say the least, Will doesn't protect the crops or drive cows to the byre. He performs a bit of gentle topiary on a hedge and cuts his finger. He then hides under the hedge and watches the two armies knock five bells out of each other. Then amid the screams of the dying, all he thinks about is his bloody finger. And wakes up dreaming of the slaughter, but is once again relieved that it's only his finger. Get a grip Will...
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2007, 09:49:12 PM »

That bloke at the Hiring Fair was rubbish, wasn't he. But he still got what he wanted in the end. Maybe there's a lesson in that  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2007, 09:54:07 PM »


That bloke at the Hiring Fair was rubbish, wasn't he. But he still got what he wanted in the end. Maybe there's a lesson in that  Wink


But he was the strong (I swung harder with my scythe) silent (few words between us spoke) type. The ones us girls are always being told to "watch" ....  Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 10:05:21 PM »

Can't help feeling Wat Tyler should have been a bit more politically aware, he should have seen what was coming to him to be honest! (Great idea for a thread)
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 10:40:29 PM »

Does it not seem that Matty Groves deserved all he got. Bad enough he was caught with her ladyship but did he have to be so damn cocky about it Wink Poor Lord Arnold (or whatever)

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 11:04:34 PM »

I feel a bit sorry for Matty.  I think he was in a no-win situation.  If he had snubbed her ladyship he would have paid.  As it was, he had a bit of fun before he copped it.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 08:25:15 AM »


I feel a bit sorry for Matty.  I think he was in a no-win situation.  If he had snubbed her ladyship he would have paid.  As it was, he had a bit of fun before he copped it.


Serves him right for going to sleep afterwards Grin
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 08:28:18 AM »

Matty groves goes to show how devious and whimsical women reallyare.

although I do love them as much as the next..........misogynist
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2007, 08:33:59 AM »

But why didn't he go for the head shot? You can do a lot of damage with a good beaten sword.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2007, 11:34:06 AM »

Oh yes. I forgot about the bloke at the hiring fair. These are Victorian agricultural labourers. "My trembling fingers touched her hand" indeed. Jane Austen is more raunchy...

And old Tam Lin made a bit of a meal of the escape plan didn't he.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2007, 11:39:01 AM »


Oh yes. I forgot about the bloke at the hiring fair. These are Victorian agricultural labourers. "My trembling fingers touched her hand" indeed. Jane Austen is more raunchy...

And old Tam Lin made a bit of a meal of the escape plan didn't he.


He got out though!

Although he did have to do a top gear analysis of the horses first!

I aint riding on no brown steed!
 
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2007, 11:48:59 AM »

Prince Albert's response to the guy in The Deserter has always worried me...

Here's an unreliable guy who legs it at every available opportunity. Alright, he shouldn't have been in the army in the first place, but still, he wants out. Even though he is treated badly by everyone; betrayed by true loves, flogged, etc then threatened with death, these things haven't deterred him from trying to run away.

Now here's the dodgy bit. Prince Albert comes along and says "Let Him Free!" "He'll make a fine soldier for his Queen and Country!"

No!

No he won't!

Albert, sort yourself out. He's run away twice! He is a lousy soldier and he'll go on being a lousy soldier!

Set him free by all means. Let him be a gardener or something. Give him a job where other people don't have to rely on him, just don't make him a soldier for crying out loud!

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2007, 12:29:09 PM »


Prince Albert's response to the guy in The Deserter has always worried me...

Here's an unreliable guy who legs it at every available opportunity. Alright, he shouldn't have been in the army in the first place, but still, he wants out. Even though he is treated badly by everyone; betrayed by true loves, flogged, etc then threatened with death, these things haven't deterred him from trying to run away.

Now here's the dodgy bit. Prince Albert comes along and says "Let Him Free!" "He'll make a fine soldier for his Queen and Country!"

No!

No he won't!

Albert, sort yourself out. He's run away twice! He is a lousy soldier and he'll go on being a lousy soldier!

Set him free by all means. Let him be a gardener or something. Give him a job where other people don't have to rely on him, just don't make him a soldier for crying out loud!

Cheers

Nick


This only goes to prove the old maxim that someone with pointy metal jewellery through unmentionable parts of anatomy almost NEVER makes correct, or even coherent, decisions.



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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2007, 12:32:35 PM »

And what about poor old Sir Patrick Spens?  

That King - great judge of character, isn't he?  Not only doesn't he know who his best sailors are (doh! how about someone in the fleet?) but listens to a "bonny boy".  Now they know all the best sailors don't they!  On top of that, Sir Patrick admits he's not a good sailor but then compounds this by saying he never intends to be one.  And still the King sends him.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2007, 12:36:58 PM »

And then there's Jack Orion - for all his reputed talent on the violin, it seems the man has few morals.  Admittedly his manservant Tom did manage to shag some bit of posh instead of him, but I think stringing the wee lad up is just a little OTT.

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2007, 12:46:02 PM »


But why didn't he go for the head shot? You can do a lot of damage with a good beaten sword.


If only "For you have two long beaten swords, and I have a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world" had scanned, the outcome would have been very different (and the song shorter).



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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2007, 01:36:45 PM »


And what about poor old Sir Patrick Spens?  

On top of that, Sir Patrick admits he's not a good sailor but then compounds this by saying he never intends to be one.  And still the King sends him.

Prat.

I thought that was the point? Politics and all that, and poor Sir Pat was the fall guy?
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And what about poor old Sir Patrick Spens?  

On top of that, Sir Patrick admits he's not a good sailor but then compounds this by saying he never intends to be one.  And still the King sends him.

Prat.

I thought that was the point? Politics and all that, and poor Sir Pat was the fall guy?


Simon's very words at St Albans last week.
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2007, 02:04:21 PM »

- But I'm very glad it's back in the repertoir!
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2007, 02:52:55 PM »

Contemporary album material:

In addition to having limited personnel selection skills, the privateer's captain does not have much common sense when it comes to sea battle strategy: one of His Majesty's finest frigates is overrunning you by a considerable margin and lays into you with considerably better firepower. Resistance is futile.

And Polly (on the shore, you think) is not really going to care, is she?
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