Sloth

[Jules Gray]

Do you mean House full live at the LA troubadour with Yellow bird on? if so yes......

No, same gigs, different album.  The initial LP was called Live At The L.A. Troubadour and included these tracks:-

Side 1
"Toss the Feathers" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)  (The Lark un the Morning Medley)
"Matty Groves" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"Bonnie Kate" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention / Dave Swarbrick)  (Actually a medley with "Sir B. McKenzies")
"Poor Will and The Jolly Hangman" (Richard Thompson / Dave Swarbrick)   (Actually the 1970 studio version with new vocals by Richard & Linda Thompson added in 1975, plus dubbed on applause)
Side 2
"Sloth" (Richard Thompson / Dave Swarbrick)
"Banks of the Sweet Primroses" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"Mason's Apron" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)  (actually a medley of "Jenny's Chickens / Mason's Apron" )
"Yellow Bird" (Marilyn Keith / Alan Bergman / Norman Luboff)

The House Full LP replaced that album and contained these tracks:-

Side 1
"Sir Patrick Spens" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)  
"Banks of the Sweet Primroses" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"The Lark in the Morning Medley" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"Sloth" (Richard Thompson / Dave Swarbrick)
Side 2
"Staines Morris" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"Matty Groves" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"Jenny's Chickens / The Mason's Apron" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention)
"Battle of the Somme" (Pipe Major Robertson)

This LP contains some tracks recorded at the same time as those issued on Live at the L.A. Troubadour and some that were actually released on that LP.

Track 2 is re-edited and remixed and is longer than the original version
Tracks 3 is re-mastered and listed wrongly as "Toss the Feathers"
Track 4 is a different take from that released on the earlier LP
Track 6 is re-mastered
Track 7 is re-edited and remixed and is shorter than the original version and is just listed as "Mason's Apron"

The CD reissue added the following tracks from the L.A. Troubadour LP:-

"Bonnie Kate / Sir B. McKenzies" (Trad. Arr. Fairport Convention / Dave Swarbrick)
"Yellow Bird" (Marilyn Keith / Alan Bergman / Norman Luboff)

Which left the long version of Sloth, the unedited Jenny's Chickens / Mason's Apron, and the faux-live Poor Will in limbo.  The Richard & Linda version of Poor Will did show up on the now deleted RT compilation (guitar, vocal), but the long Sloth and the unedited instrumental medley have never seen a CD release to my knowledge.

(Much of this info has been cut and pasted from Wikipedia.)

Jules

[Tasha]

ahhh thanks Jules now I see!

[Sir Robert Peel]

What's the story behind the title of this track, anyone?

Could it be that His Royal Thompsoness couldn't be harsed to think up an apt title?  

[Shane (Skirky)]

What's the story behind the title of this track, anyone?

Could it be that His Royal Thompsoness couldn't be harsed to think up an apt title?  

Apparently so. The other track they were working on at the time, the slightly more sprightly one's working title was apparently "Fast-th". Seriously.

[Tony F]

Live At The Troubadour 1970 12:18 (actual)

Interesting, in that the live 70 "Taverne de l'Olympia" performance on youtube is 12:17 when the halves are merged.  I've never heard the LP Troubadour version, but I'm assuming it's really from the Troubadour and not this one?  
Still, a little uncanny they'd be exactly the same length ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG61mq9OXNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiuJtm-p1Q

[Jules Gray]

What's the story behind the title of this track, anyone?

Could it be that His Royal Thompsoness couldn't be harsed to think up an apt title?  

Apparently so. The other track they were working on at the time, the slightly more sprightly one's working title was apparently "Fast-th". Seriously.

"Fast-th" became Journeyman's Grace, I believe.

Jules

[Dave Brzeski]

Do you mean House full live at the LA troubadour with Yellow bird on? if so yes......

No, same gigs, different album.  The initial LP was called Live At The L.A. Troubadour and included these tracks.....

..... Which left the long version of Sloth, the unedited Jenny's Chickens / Mason's Apron, and the faux-live Poor Will in limbo.  The Richard & Linda version of Poor Will did show up on the now deleted RT compilation (guitar, vocal), but the long Sloth and the unedited instrumental medley have never seen a CD release to my knowledge.

(Much of this info has been cut.)

Jules

I've always thought that album, in it's various guises would be a sensible candidate for the deluxe double-CD treatment.

[Jules Gray]

I've always thought that album, in it's various guises would be a sensible candidate for the deluxe double-CD treatment.

I second that emotion!

Jules

[Jim]

I've always thought that album, in it's various guises would be a sensible candidate for the deluxe double-CD treatment.

I second that emotion!

Jules

 it would all fit nicely on the one cd wouldnt it?

[Greg]

Always assuming there's not a vault of stuff that was recorded but never even released?  Though I guess it would probably leaked out at some point in the last 40 years.  Still, we can dream...

[Tony F]

Always assuming there's not a vault of stuff that was recorded but never even released?  Though I guess it would probably leaked out at some point in the last 40 years.  Still, we can dream...

It's hardly the pinnacle of the Full House lineup, but you could add Sweet Little Rock 'n Roller (from Guitar/Vocal) to the list of stuff that's trickled out and could be included on a deluxe.  It is fun to hear the young RT belting out Chuck Berry (almost wouldn't recognize him?).

[Jules Gray]

It's hardly the pinnacle of the Full House lineup, but you could add Sweet Little Rock 'n Roller (from Guitar/Vocal) to the list of stuff that's trickled out and could be included on a deluxe.  It is fun to hear the young RT belting out Chuck Berry (almost wouldn't recognize him?).

Yes, good idea.  And I'm sure there's more stuff on the tapes that hasn't come out.  I'm sure they could get a double out of it!

Jules

[Dave Russell]

What's the story behind the title of this track, anyone?

Could it be that His Royal Thompsoness couldn't be harsed to think up an apt title?  

I always wondered if it was prompted by the quotation (probably mis- )attributed to Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

[Dave Brzeski]

Always assuming there's not a vault of stuff that was recorded but never even released?  Though I guess it would probably leaked out at some point in the last 40 years.  Still, we can dream...

If you consider the fact that they changed the versions they used of some tracks between the various releases, it stands to reason that there's several choices for most of the songs. I think the problem might be what to exclude to keep it from becoming a triple CD.

[ThomA]

Was the Linda Ronstadt guest appearance, or the appearance of Led Zeppelin (disputed?) recorded?  I'd shell for those.

[Jules Gray]

Was the Linda Ronstadt guest appearance, or the appearance of Led Zeppelin (disputed?) recorded?  I'd shell for those.

Different folks say different things.  Swarb insists that the Led Zep set never happened.  Joe Boyd swears it did.  I've also heard a rumour that Peter Grant (Zep's manager) insisted on having the tapes from that night, so we'll probably never hear them.  Not sure about the Ronstadt set.

Jules

[Simon P]

For those who are interested in obtaining the original Live at the L.A. Troubadour version of 'Sloth' on cd, you might want to check out the 2009 Japanese SHM-CD reissue of House Full. It gathers together all the tracks from both aforementioned releases, and comes in a rather nice mini-vinyl replica package, including reproductions of both sleeves. Also included, are a Japanese/English lyric sheet and the booklet with sleevenotes from the UK remaster.

Full details can be found at cd Japan, although it is currently listed as out of print.

However, it is still available from Amazon.com and several of the other online cd import specialists. There is also one currently on eBay from a seller who appears very reliable (although I haven't dealt with them myself).

This re-issue was part of a series of twelve Fairport albums released on the new SHM-CD format last year. They look great, but House Full was the only one to include otherwise unavailable bonus tracks: the others mirror the UK remasters.

Hope this is of some help.

[Jules Gray]

Thank you Simon - I had no idea!  I'll be after one of those for sure now.

Jules

[beatroots (Steve)]

So easily led astray when I should be working! Just ordered the Japanese SHM edition ( a different sort of plastic for the CD apparently) from Amazon.com for £24.

[beatroots (Steve)]

Incidentally, the copy on Ebay appears to be a standard Japanese issue and not the 'special' one with the bonus tracks.