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« on: June 20, 2007, 09:04:09 PM »

Just played this. What's it about? OK, reminiscences of an affair in a golden time before the world is ripped apart by global conflict. Lovely song.

But why are there three characters: "you" "your lady" and I?

Is one of them a dog? Is a weird kind of troilism involved? An aristocratic chaperone?

I leave it to the board.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 09:15:51 PM »

I think "I" was the younger brother of "the lady". But I haven't listened to this is ages, so I could be barking completely up the wrong tree.

Or just barking Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 09:40:15 PM »

I always interpret this as some guy playing 'gooseberry!'  Roll Eyes

Just 3 friends I suppose.......
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 10:03:17 PM »

That's what I thought.. three friends.. or maybe a love triangle..  Grin

Lovely song..  would love to hear it live again!
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2007, 02:10:23 AM »

Ambiguious as always. I Can't work it out.  It's a Huw Williams song apparently.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2007, 12:06:37 PM »


I think "I" was the younger brother of "the lady". But I haven't listened to this is ages, so I could be barking completely up the wrong tree.

Or just barking Roll Eyes

 I have always thought the same. Brother or sister! Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2007, 12:16:31 PM »

A man, his wife, who is servant to the Lady, cycle down to the sea the Whitsun before the war, probably WW1.

Might be related to "Dancing At Whitsun", a prequel if you will.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 12:28:11 PM »

I reckon he is in love with him, who in turn, is in love with her

"loves that must remain unknown" as David Hughes sings ..............
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 12:32:06 PM »

I love that song. Beautiful tune and imagery - I can see the heat haze and small the golden corn.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 12:33:55 PM »

A touch of Terry Jacks, then?
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2007, 12:35:53 PM »


A touch of Terry Jacks, then?


I suppose.

Quite a lot really.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2007, 12:40:07 PM »

I've always thought it depicted a time of innocence, when a lad and his lady and a friend could still go on a day out somewhere without jealous thoughts or covetous intentions  Undecided  Maybe there was never such a time, but I think that's what I'd rather believe  Smiley
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I've always thought it depicted a time of innocence, when a lad and his lady and a friend could still go on a day out somewhere without jealous thoughts or covetous intentions  Undecided  Maybe there was never such a time, but I think that's what I'd rather believe  Smiley

So what if it is a song about idealism? That's one of the things song writing is all about isn't it?  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2007, 12:47:06 PM »


I've always thought it depicted a time of innocence, when a lad and his lady and a friend could still go on a day out somewhere without jealous thoughts or covetous intentions  Undecided  Maybe there was never such a time, but I think that's what I'd rather believe  Smiley


I've been out with Helen and James, nothing happened.

Innocence is nice.
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2007, 12:50:40 PM »


I've always thought it depicted a time of innocence, when a lad and his lady and a friend could still go on a day out somewhere without jealous thoughts or covetous intentions  Undecided  Maybe there was never such a time, but I think that's what I'd rather believe  Smiley


I agree: that's what I hear. A tenderness and strong affection between all parties, but an underlying tone of acute bittersweet wistfulness, and the unspoken love being more romantic than sexual

but blimeyheck! what do I know  Grin Grin
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I've always thought it depicted a time of innocence, when a lad and his lady and a friend could still go on a day out somewhere without jealous thoughts or covetous intentions  Undecided  Maybe there was never such a time, but I think that's what I'd rather believe  Smiley


I agree: that's what I hear. A tenderness and strong affection between all parties, but an underlying tone of acute bittersweet wistfulness, and the unspoken love being more romantic than sexual

but blimeyheck! what do I know  


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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2007, 02:21:59 PM »

So the theory that the protaganist is a dog is not gaining much ground then...
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2007, 03:02:38 PM »

Not too many bicycling dogs in these parts, sorry.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2007, 03:57:14 PM »

It's a song: it means what you hear when you listen to it. Which is deliciously different from anyone else. Same as a moving play or novel, movie or painting. OK, it's specifically painting images for our delight, but the details we fill in ourselves as much as the faces we see when we listen to a play on the radio. I'm just an empty vessel resonating with noise through which the song passes on its way from author to listener so what do I know of how to cast the characters or place the location?

That said, I've always had Kenny More, John Mills and Celia Johnson in beautiful black+white 1938 Dorset....... But that doesn't rule out the cycling dog instead of John Mills, as long as it's a small terrier in the wicker basket on the front of Celia's sit-up-and-beg.

Glad you like it enough to bring up the subject: some have pointed the finger of mawkish sentimentality - heartless cynics to a man/woman....
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2007, 04:00:31 PM »

So diplomatic. Never one to take sides  Grin


That said, there's definitely not enough of Red and Gold (apart from "Red and Gold") played at Cropredy  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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