Hancocks Chatter

[Nick]

The Hancocks 2008  


The Talkawhile Awards for Folk Music

Please use this thread to talk about the Hancock Awards in general.

Cheers!

[PLW (Peter)]

When it says "the nominations for this award so far, are" - who has decided this?

[PLW (Peter)]

Sorry, it's me again. Why no category for "Best Singer"? Seems odd, when there's a best musician.

[Bob Barrows]

When it says "the nominations for this award so far, are" - who has decided this?

We always start with the nominees from the BBC award ...

[Nick]

When it says "the nominations for this award so far, are" - who has decided this?

You might find the answer to that question here  

Sorry, it's me again. Why no category for "Best Singer"? Seems odd, when there's a best musician.

    Oops! There is now...

Cheers

Nick

[Rory.]

Please everybody. Read the instructions.

It's no use posting "Fred Claptrap, because he's great". To convince people you must say something. Equally a dozen posts just saying seconded, thirded, forthed....... etc, just clutters up the place.

If you really want to convince people that your nomination should be considered, then you must explain why and that doesn't just mean a link to YouTube.

A lot of effort is put into organising these awards and making them something that is taken seriously.

I'd like to take issue with this, I value this forum and these awards. I hope my objection will be taken seriously, unlike my post in the 'Best Live Act' thread which was deleted.

Strictly speaking, I didn't comply with the instructions. I nominated the Imagined Village and said 'read the reviews on the eponymous thread' - that was all I said. I didn't add any 'wit or wisdom' as I thought members here had summed up how brilliant this act are - particularly Sir Robert Peel's post - I'm not going to try to better his review - I can't, so I wont try. If I can't summon up anything new or funny in my nomination am I just to shut up or risk my post being deleted? Are only the most eloquent allowed to nominate?
I know for a fact some people on these boards withhold posts for fear of being 'moderated' I think this is a terrible shame.

Anyway, I'm not going to storm off in a huff, I think I was a bit harshly moderated, but I'm not roarin' and greetin' about it, I just wanted to raise the point that moderators may be fallible too.

[YaBB Master (Colin)]

I know for a fact some people on these boards withhold posts for fear of being 'moderated' I think this is a terrible shame.

Not true.
Very, very few posts on this board are moderated. Looking at the logs, a week can easily go by without a post being deleted.
However I did plough in to the Hancock nominations, because it's just one area where I feel that people could make an effort to run to more than one sentence.

Look at the latest posts in these topics. Good aren't they?

[Rory.]

I know for a fact some people on these boards withhold posts for fear of being 'moderated' I think this is a terrible shame.

Not true.
Very, very few posts on this board are moderated. Looking at the logs, a week can easily go by without a post being deleted.

That's not what I'm saying, and for the sake of this wonderful enterprise I won't bang on any more about it

However I did plough in to the Hancock nominations, because it's just one area where I feel that people could make an effort to run to more than one sentence.

Look at the latest posts in these topics. Good aren't they?

Yes they are

[Nick]

As a general comment...

Are votes against allowed?

Yes. It's a discussion board!

If you like an act, say why. If you don't agree with what someone has proposed, say why. At the end of the day it will be the eloquence with which cases are presented and argued that will be the deciding factor, whether that eloquence is for or against.

Cheers

Nick

[Chris]

Can you settle another query - whether an act can be nominated more than once within the same award? For example, the Imagined Village in Best Traditional Track....

[Nick]

Personally, I don't know.

There's one argument that says we should have a variety of nominations from a variety of sources. There's another that says that a Various Artists album is by definition from a variety of sources.

I would throw this one open for discussion. We can also see what other nominations are made. After all, it is the eloquence of the nomination and the debate that follows that matters most.

Cheers

Nick

[Chris]

The only thing I would also add to this question is -

If you allow it, what prevents one artist being nominated multiple times?

[Sandra]

Nothing, in my opinion. If they deserve to be included so be it.

It's up to others to nominate alternatives and argue the case for them, surely.

[rachel]

The only thing I would also add to this question is -

If you allow it, what prevents one artist being nominated multiple times?

Possibly a reason for not doing so would be that it would potentially split a vote that would have otherwise meant that a particular artist would have won.

[Chris]

This will lead to a loss of credibility....

[Nick]

If one artist has produced 5 tracks, each of which is argued by the board to be deemed to stand head and shoulders above all else that has been released this year...

If no-one makes the case for any other act over and above any of the 5 tracks from that artist...

... then why should that artist not have 5 tracks nominated?

Some artists have multiple nominations in different categories. Is this the same situation or different?

Like I said, I don't know the 'right' answer to this one but I shouldn't have to. The point is, it is a debate!

It's down to board members to say who or what we should vote for - who we should add to each vote and, if desired, who we should remove. If a decision is split for one artist at the end of the nominations then that will be because it was the will of the board.

Cheers

Nick

[rachel]

The only thing I would also add to this question is -

If you allow it, what prevents one artist being nominated multiple times?

Possibly a reason for not doing so would be that it would potentially split a vote that would have otherwise meant that a particular artist would have won.

This will lead to a loss of credibility....

That wasn't my intention at all Chris I was just suggesting a reason why people may choose not to make multiple nominations.
More difficult is the removal of nominations from those pre selected. I don't imagine arguments such as 'never heard of them and what is on Youtube/Myspace doesn't seem much cop' will be very effective but it seems a shame that when a number of other artists are argued for eloquently they are fighting for just one slot.
I don't know what the answer is and despite this I am very glad that we have the opportunity to do this at all. Thanks to all those involved

rachel

[Nick]

More difficult is the removal of nominations from those pre selected. I don't imagine arguments such as 'never heard of them and what is on Youtube/Myspace doesn't seem much cop' will be very effective but it seems a shame that when a number of other artists are argued for eloquently they are fighting for just one slot.

The idea of proposing the removal of an artist from the pre-selected set came from Dave Delarre in another thread. I can think of three reasons why you might do this:

The nomination doesn't qualify (Dave's argument, and also an argument that ran last year re a Seth Lakeman song)

There is a better alternative from the same artist (and you don't want to split the vote)

The pre-selected nomination is not as strong as your own nomination

And yes, these are difficult arguments to put forward ... but we're talking out our specialist subject here. We come to Talkawhile to talk about the music and with the Hancocks it's up to us to say what it is that we like.

Cheers

Nick

[Amethyst (Jenny)]

Are we having a Lifetime Award this year??

[YaBB Master (Colin)]

Are we having a Lifetime Award this year??

Did we ever?