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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2008, 12:36:13 PM » |
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yup, all you sayis interesting and right
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2008, 08:50:57 AM » |
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The thing that really turned me off bonus tracks was the version of Pet Sounds I have... As the end of Caroline No fades out, can I sit down and enjoy the atmosphere created by one o the most sublime recordings Brian Wilson ever made? Can I ****. I have to rush to the CD player to shut it off before a selection of unutterable dross comes on that the world is a worse place for hearing...
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2008, 10:42:18 AM » |
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yes ,the record company think we are all charlies who are for the sake of completism will buy any old dross.you vote with your wallet i suppose.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2008, 11:38:20 AM » |
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yes ,the record company think we are all charlies who are for the sake of completism will buy any old dross.you vote with your wallet i suppose.
In general I would agree with all this. There are exceptions, though. Sometimes live albums, for instance, can benefit from bonus tracks. Take 1974's Live Convention: I always felt Trevor Lucas was poorly represented on the original 9 track vinyl edition. But the bonus tracks on the expanded CD took care of that. I especially think the version of "Bring 'em down" is an absolute knock out. And your solo on that one is simply breathtaking. Having said that, I have to say "Bring 'em down" is one of my favourite Fairport songs, so I was delighted that was included on the expanded Live Convention CD. Thor-Rune |
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2008, 12:25:36 PM » |
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i cant comment on that not having heard it, it is true that often decisions made in the studio are tinged with the feelings pesent , and that given the benefit of time very often i can agree that the track was worth preserving.Thats not however my point, at all times the decision to release should be with the artiste, and not cloth eared company galloots chasing the immortal dollar. (cloth eared company galloots?,I feel a song coming on)
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2008, 04:52:33 PM » |
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I totally understand you're point, Swarb. I thought the Liege & Lief 2-CD was too much. Again, there are exceptions I suppose. Trevor authorised some of Sandy's demos to start coming out and they are truly sublime. Her home demos particuarly are incredible I think. Stuff like "One More Chance" - the piano, the vocal phrasing. Nothing tops it!
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2008, 05:57:11 PM » |
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yes i agree, we are not talking about home demo's though, they are fine and I like to hear them too.I am disagreeing with releasing previously disliked(by the artiste) trax without the artiste's permission.
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2008, 12:22:58 AM » |
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yes i agree, we are not talking about home demo's though, they are fine and I like to hear them too.I am disagreeing with releasing previously disliked(by the artiste) trax without the artiste's permission.
I am with you all the way on that one. And there's been many an ugly example of that. The fact that anyone can do that without even consulting the artists in question (let alone listen to what they have to say), is simply disgusting. I have myself worked on many CD releases in Norway of older recordings, having been asked by a record company to do so. And sometimes potential bonus trax turn up from the vaults. More often than not they are simply not good enough, but then there are sometimes trax that the artists originally disliked but later changed their minds about. For various reasons... But I take pride in saying I always ask the artist in question for their approval to use previously unissued recordings. And if they say no, then I just pretend I never found them. But I have also found most artists were happy to let me use them, as long as I only chose the good ones. By the way, I was taken aback by your comment that you hadn't heard the expanded Live Convention CD. I took it for granted that the record company would at least send a copy to the artists. But obviously not. Shows you what a gullible man I am, I suppose. Thor-Rune |
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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2008, 09:27:39 AM » |
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I think Island have been notably uncommunicative with the Fairport reissues. Richard has also complained about not being consulted.
What about Free Reed, Swarb? Did they send you copies of the box sets you feature on? Or just the Swarb! set?
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2008, 09:50:14 AM » |
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morning all, free reed up to now have been pretty good and fair,and i have no complaint.and yes i get lots of free copies etc.
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2008, 11:46:19 AM » |
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On a similar note, Jerry Donahue is working on (what would have been) Fotheringay 2. Would you hold the same opinion if a band breaks up halfway through recording, and the stuff comes out later? I must say I do look forward to this release.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2008, 02:07:25 PM » |
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no, I dont feel the same way at all about that,after all Jerry is the Artiste.
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2008, 07:10:00 PM » |
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I beg to differ, poor will is a v good example of what i am talking about, the group with the exception of richard loved the track. Richard hated his rendition of it, and was adamant that he did NOT want it released. what power on this earth has the right thefore to overturn the co writers feeling on the song.in my opinion none, and shame on whoever over ruled his decision.I do of course have a fair idea who that would be, and so would you . and without mentioning names you will i am sure be getting the picture.
Hi Swarb, I am surprised how late in the game that the song was pulled off of the lp. I was lucky enough to get a copy of the Full House lp with the track listing of Poor Will on the back cover along with the original track order.Below is link to a Fairport myspace page where they posted a pic of my copy.Scroll down a little,it's on the left side.I bet there aren't many copies of this out there. It's kind of hard to see but you can make it out.It was nice to meet you at Cropredy. Kurt http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=281110541&MyToken=56578a36-b302-4405-aae8-92fee9b1e0f8 |
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2008, 02:51:29 PM » |
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Hi Swarb
We understand your feelings towards tracks coming out on reissues that haven't been approved.....
But looking back is there anything you can remember being taped that you wish had been released but is still in the vaults?
Jules
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2008, 07:04:55 PM » |
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I find this an interesting thread. Can you give us any more details. I'd always thought that poor will and crazy man michael were historical persons. Any gossipy stories about the real persons or why?
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2008, 10:54:00 PM » |
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I dont feel its my place to decipher the song for you, I didnt after all write the words,but you might care to look at the tragedy's in the groups past.
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2008, 09:00:39 AM » |
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Looking at this subject from another angle, is there anything you can remember being taped that you wish had been released but that remains shelved away?
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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2008, 09:13:11 AM » |
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there are always versions of songs or tunesets where yr own playing is better than the issued one,one picks the track that is overall the best, so i suppose that there may well be stuff that i would like ,and others in the group wouldnt.the same would apply to all the others in the group too.I dont think there is a lot left in the vaults now though.I could be wrong.
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