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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2008, 11:21:43 AM » |
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Graham Nash, saccharine? Surely not!  It is probably for a different thread but I have always thought that Nash needs some combination of C, S or Y, or even The Hollies to dilute the tooth rotting sweetness of his songs. For example Our House & Teach Your Children work beautifully in situ because of their surroundings but an entire album of it would be pretty sickly! |
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2008, 11:49:29 AM » |
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Well I liked the samples I just listened to (thanks for the link, David) but then I think I like one more spoonful of sugar in my tea than you. Maybe two! Pavanne was pretty similar to the SN version. Was he influenced do you think? I haven't had a chance to listen to the original Richard and Linda one yet. Someone is supposed to be finding it for me ...  |
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2008, 11:51:13 AM » |
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Where is the SN version?
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2008, 11:52:58 AM » |
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Graham Nash, saccharine? Surely not! It is probably for a different thread but I have always thought that Nash needs some combination of C, S or Y, or even The Hollies to dilute the tooth rotting sweetness of his songs. For example Our House & Teach Your Children work beautifully in situ because of their surroundings but an entire album of it would be pretty sickly! Songs for Beginners just about works, but generally I agree.... Incidentally, Innocent Eyes (which came out about the same week in '86 as Neil's Landing on Water and shares many of the same faults) is probably the worst album by a major artiste ever to be released. And saying that in the context of LoW takes same doing  |
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2008, 12:01:35 PM » |
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Where is the SN version?
It's on Close To The Wind - a 1984 collaboration between Simon Nicol and Dave Swarbrick. I'll see if I can find a link. |
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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2008, 12:08:10 PM » |
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Where is the SN version?
It's on Close To The Wind - a 1984 collaboration between Simon Nicol and Dave Swarbrick. I'll see if I can find a link. Don't worry. I have it. In fact I listened to it a couple of weeks ago (or at least the Close To The White Bear CD version). I don't remember Pavanne at all! I'll have to check now. How embarrassing! |
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2008, 12:09:43 PM » |
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Where is the SN version?
It's on Close To The Wind - a 1984 collaboration between Simon Nicol and Dave Swarbrick. I'll see if I can find a link. Don't worry. I have it. In fact I listened to it a couple of weeks ago (or at least the Close To The White Bear CD version). I don't remember Pavanne at all! I'll have to check now. How embarrassing! I'm not sure actually ...hasn't it been removed from the Close to the White Bear CD? On the original album it is Side 1, Track 3.... |
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2008, 12:17:06 PM » |
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Yes, you're right. It's not on the White Bear CD.
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2008, 12:48:10 PM » |
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Ah, that explains it. Curses! Swizz!
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2008, 03:51:15 PM » |
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OK I'm sorry: it was a technical matter. When we decided to combine the two source LPs (Close to the Wind and Live at the White Bear {incidentally pronounced to rhyme with HIVE, not LIVER}) onto a single CD, without going into damaging levels of digital compression, there was just slightly too much information to fit. Something had to go, and as it was a fundamentally duo-based project, there was one instant candidate.
Which I suppose adds to the rarity value, if nothing else.
Linda sings it much better than I do anyway - and it was her dream in the first place...
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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2008, 04:36:06 PM » |
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Not a problem Simon. Thanks for the explanation. I didn't even know that I was missing it until today! I'd still like to hear your version though.
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2008, 04:59:18 PM » |
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Finally managed to listen to the First Light version. Linda does indeed sing it beautifully and it surely is the definitive version. (Sorry to agree with you, Simon ... But that was then, this is now and there's an acoustic tour coming up [hint, hint]) I think it's time for me to put the shovel down, the hole is already too deep to climb out!  |
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2008, 05:42:56 PM » |
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Graham Nash, saccharine? Surely not! Songs for Beginners just about works, but generally I agree.... I agree generally as well, but Songs for Survivors is excellent I think. Much darker than his usual stuff. Neil and Ben Keith play on that record too. Some of it sounds very Neil-ish. Jules |
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2008, 05:45:26 PM » |
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Graham Nash, saccharine? Surely not! Songs for Beginners just about works, but generally I agree.... I agree generally as well, but Songs for Survivors is excellent I think. Much darker than his usual stuff. Neil and Ben Keith play on that record too. Some of it sounds very Neil-ish. Jules Hmmm, I'd forgotten (or never knew) that...must play it again....if I can find it. |
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2008, 06:51:44 PM » |
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I've just noticed that the I Tunes review of Songs For Survivors describes Pavanne as "misogynist". How's that for missing the point? Especially given Linda's involvement in the creation of the song.
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2008, 08:41:44 PM » |
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Yes, you're right. It's not on the White Bear CD.
However, if you buy your copy from Alex Lyons of this parish (as I did - and he said at the time he had a few copies left, so I hope he won't mind me mentioning it again here), he very kindly sends you a bonus CD with the tracks missed off the main CD! Quote from Alex on earlier thread: (Sorry, haven't worked out how to copy quotations to a different thread) "I do have a very small number of copies of the 'Close To The White Bear' CD - with a bonus CD featuring the omitted tracks: a tune set and Simon's fab solo version of Pavanne - and they're just taking up space here so if Anne or anyone else wants to drop me an email or IM I'll try to help you out." |
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2008, 09:04:29 AM » |
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I agree generally as well, but Songs for Survivors is excellent I think. Much darker than his usual stuff. Neil and Ben Keith play on that record too. Some of it sounds very Neil-ish.
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Hmmm, I'd forgotten (or never knew) that...must play it again....if I can find it. Dammit - I got mixed up. I meant Songs for Beginners. Doh! Jules |
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2008, 11:08:43 AM » |
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Do I detect something rather spooky going on here about this song? First it is on Richard and Linda's 'First Light', which has never been released on CD (didn't I read somewhere here that the master tapes have gone missing?). Then it is left off the release of Close to the White Bear. Hmm... maybe it was a bit close to the truth and someone started dropping hints about mysterious assassins turning up if the song wasn't dropped... You could get a good conspiracy theory going about this |
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2008, 11:11:29 AM » |
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First it is on Richard and Linda's 'First Light', which has never been released on CD (didn't I read somewhere here that the master tapes have gone missing?).
Not quite right. It was released on CD by Hannibal in the late 80s/early 90s along with Sunnyvista. That fortunately coincided with the time I was getting heavily into RT so I bought them on release and still have them both. |
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2008, 11:48:30 AM » |
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First it is on Richard and Linda's 'First Light', which has never been released on CD (didn't I read somewhere here that the master tapes have gone missing?).
Not quite right. It was released on CD by Hannibal in the late 80s/early 90s along with Sunnyvista. That fortunately coincided with the time I was getting heavily into RT so I bought them on release and still have them both. Alas I was a "Johnny come lately" and am still trying to track these CDs down.  Jules |
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