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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2008, 07:18:41 PM » |
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I did not like what Joe Boyd said about Jude.  He is quite obviously an arse  I thought that too. I also thought there were other things said that weren't necessary.  |
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2008, 07:20:22 PM » |
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Yes but then he wasn't exactly there for Nick Drake either was he. Like I said... an arse  |
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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2008, 07:21:12 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2008, 07:55:38 PM » |
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I did not like what Joe Boyd said about Jude. He is quite obviously an arse "The weak point to me was Judy the singer". I think that's what Joe says. He might possibly, in retrospect (and I'm a huge fan of the first album and Jude's later work), be wrong; he might not, but I'm not entirely sure that makes him an arse does it? Presumably the rest of Fairport at the time, who removed Judy, and then soon replaced her with Sandy, are arses as well? Anyway, arse or not, Boyd's one of the very best producers I've ever heard....and he also seems to have the secret of eternal youth, so maybe he has sold his soul to the devil after all  |
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2008, 08:40:11 PM » |
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I feel it was unnecessary to say that, I believe that without Jude they would not have considered another female band member and that Jude set that trend. Of course that is my opinion only. I just found it tacky and rude.
I can't speak for the rest of fairport can I ? But they appear to respect and honour Jude's work now. Plus fairport did not say anything negative about Jude on a public radio show and I doubt if they ever would.
Great producer yes, but I am not impressed with what he said, nor how he dropped Nick in his hour of darkness.
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2008, 08:46:04 PM » |
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Not wanting to appear rude, I don't really want to discuss this further as if Ms Jude wasn't here so I will shut my noisy gob and be gone < disappears in a cloud of purple smoke > |
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2008, 08:49:47 PM » |
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Not wanting to appear rude, I don't really want to discuss this further as if Ms Jude wasn't here so I will shut my noisy gob and be gone < disappears in a cloud of purple smoke > As long as we're all being polite, constructive and expressing opinions as opinions rather than facts (as I think Joe Boyd was) then I'd like to think that the presence (for which we are all eternally grateful) of so many illustrious peoples on this wondrous discussion forum shouldn't limit, well, er, discussion from taking place.... |
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2008, 08:51:28 PM » |
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I don't feel limited. It feels wrong to go further with this for me that is all |
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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2008, 08:53:28 PM » |
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Strange there was no mention of her heavy drinking, which must at least contributed to the circumstances of her death. Can't be because of any fear of libel actions by her family, as it has been well documented elsewhere. That's not to cast any negative judgements either. The link between alcohol abuse/vulnerability/sensitivity and creative talent-even genius-is well established. Witness the documentary last Friday about the "Who" and that band's individual use of copius amounts of booze, etc. and the sheer power of the music they created.
Incidentally, was it just me that thought Robert Plant sounded just a little bit, well, "camp" in the Sandy programme?...
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2008, 08:53:53 PM » |
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Well, I felt "limited" enough to take my initial response to PM, but I feel this needs to be said publicly: Jude was not a weak link!!errr... just my opinion, you know.  |
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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2008, 09:19:10 PM » |
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Incidentally, was it just me that thought Robert Plant sounded just a little bit, well, "camp" in the Sandy programme?...
He sounded exactly like Robert Plant always sounds to me....warm, intelligent, and not at all 'rock star'ish. I've always thought he's just about the nicest 'rock god' I've ever heard (of).... |
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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2008, 09:31:22 PM » |
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What is camp?? Robert is the epitomy of testosterone on a stick  God I am argumentative today lol |
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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2008, 09:46:14 PM » |
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Yeah - Easy Tiger! LOL. I haven't heard the programme yet, but will endeavour to do so by the weekend, and report back my opinion. I'm very intrigued by all your comments so far. However................. It's amazing how most of those "ex" Fairport members left to do fantastically creative stuff afterwards. Jude is no exception... I love that first FC album on it's own merits. It has that lovely jangly feel to it, and some really great musicianship. And such a youthful feel to it as well.  But there again, when it comes to our very own Astral Folk Goddess, we maybe a bit biased. |
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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008, 11:05:05 PM » |
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What is camp?? Robert is the epitomy of testosterone on a stick God I am argumentative today lol Not going to argue about whether Robert Plant is the epitome of anything on a stick but I personally think its his accent. He has always sounded as though his voice is yet to break when I've heard him speak. If not camp slightly feminine. His singing voice is totally different. As for Joe Boyd's comment I also heard that but didn't feel the need to comment. A decision was made a very long time - in my case a lifetime -ago. The Beatles got rid of Pete Best and you can still see posters in Liverpool pubs advertising him in bands as ' The Man who put the Beat into The Beatles'. Doesn't change anything. At the time the band if not children were not quite adults and as Lord Denning sort of said it is unfair to put today's values on yesterday's decisions. My earlier comment about Janis Joplin eluded to the issues surrounding the, shall we say, hedonism. I hope this was sensitive reasons rather than hagiography. I like to know about people flaws and all. I'm not judging but people are often complicated and this can add to the story rather than detract from it. |
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2008, 09:21:06 AM » |
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Great producer yes, but I am not impressed with what he said, nor how he dropped Nick in his hour of darkness.
Did he in fact drop Nick? He moved back to the States, but made provision for Nick's albums to stay in print and that Hannibal was still a going concern so that Nick could continue to make records. All he did was absent himself from producing the next one. Should Joe have stayed in England to babysit Nick Drake? I hardly think so. Jules |
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2008, 09:24:22 AM » |
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Witness the documentary last Friday about the "Who" and that band's individual use of copius amounts of booze, etc.
F***! I missed that one as well! Jules |
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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2008, 09:25:34 AM » |
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Incidentally, was it just me that thought Robert Plant sounded just a little bit, well, "camp" in the Sandy programme?...
He sounded exactly like Robert Plant always sounds to me....warm, intelligent, and not at all 'rock star'ish. I've always thought he's just about the nicest 'rock god' I've ever heard (of).... He's good at tennis, as well. |
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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2008, 10:47:08 AM » |
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Thanks for that Dave. I forgot all about it too. |
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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2008, 06:19:57 PM » |
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Great producer yes, but I am not impressed with what he said, nor how he dropped Nick in his hour of darkness.
Did he in fact drop Nick? He moved back to the States, but made provision for Nick's albums to stay in print and that Hannibal was still a going concern so that Nick could continue to make records. All he did was absent himself from producing the next one. Should Joe have stayed in England to babysit Nick Drake? I hardly think so. Jules Quite right, imho....the guy was clearly ill. It's hardly anybody else's fault when that's the case, is it? It's so easy to blame...and I come from a family badly effected by mental health issues as well... |
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« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2008, 06:25:54 PM » |
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Chris Blackwell would have carried on releasing Nick's albums as he loved the man's music so i dont know what the beef with Joe Boyd is
Nick wasnt a well man long before he died and his records became increasingly bleaker, and less commercially viable, as he went on
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