Sandy tribute at South Bank Centre, 1 December

[Jamie73]

Indeed.

What's the point of preaching to the converted?

Jamie

[jaypeter (Peter)]

10 years ago!! Imagine that!! Don't you just love the young when they "discover" something. And the press. Did you ever see a headline "EVERYTHING GOING ON MUCH AS BEFORE! NOTHING MUCH HAPPENS!!??

What’s your point exactly, jaypeter? You’re bothered by young people’s naïve enthusiasm when they “discover” something that oldies have known about for years? I would have thought that’s to be welcomed. It’s only by successive generations rediscovering them that things of importance are kept in the public eye – they pass on the enthusiasm to their peers. Jude R wrote another piece about Sandy in The Word last summer where she said she was born the week after Sandy died, making her emphatically of the post-Sandy generation. It’s this generation (well represented in the line-up for the concert) who will carry interest forward into the future. Same as happened to Nick Drake.

Well thanks for asking me what my point is and then telling me. "You’re bothered by young people’s naïve enthusiasm when they “discover” something that oldies have known about for years?" No, I just thought it was a bit funny. Actually I was simply poking fun at her presumably thinking ten years is a jolly long time. Sadly, to me, it ain't. I absolutely hate the closed club view of music, "I know this, you don't, so you can't be in the in-crowd".  I just thought the article wasn't perfect, sorry. And before you have a go at me for that, no I don't want everything to be perfect. You're quite right about spreading the word being a good thing. I'm not stupid.  What about my point about the press?  Do you think it's a good thing for them to create fashions in this that and the other bloody thing just to sell papers? How many times do you read about somebody being " the forgotten something or other" when you and everybody you know has known about them all along. Some of these people  think that because they haven't heard of somebody then they must be rediscovered or re-appraised or some other old bollicks. Thre's not enough people taking the piss out of other people these days, in my opinion. Do you really think that "Back then, you'd only find compilations of her music in deep, dusty bargain bins."? Is that true? Or is it a slightly silly thing to say, motivated by a sub-conscious belief that if Jude Rogers hasn't heard of Sandy Denny then nobody else will have.

Anyway thanks for waking me up,

All the best

Peter Jay

 P.S. OK let me modify my original sentiment. How about "Don't you just love SOME young people and some other people of indeterminate age" when they "discover" something."

[Sam]

personally i think any coverage however eronious or cliched( i don't think this was too bad btw ) is good if it creates interest or even one new fan of sandy...

[jaypeter (Peter)]

personally i think any coverage however eronious or cliched( i don't think this was too bad btw ) is good if it creates interest or even one new fan of sandy...

True. I didn't think it was too bad either.

[Philip W]

Well thanks for asking me what my point is and then telling me. "You’re bothered by young people’s naïve enthusiasm when they “discover” something that oldies have known about for years?" No, I just thought it was a bit funny. Actually I was simply poking fun at her presumably thinking ten years is a jolly long time. Sadly, to me, it ain't. I absolutely hate the closed club view of music, "I know this, you don't, so you can't be in the in-crowd".  I just thought the article wasn't perfect, sorry. And before you have a go at me for that, no I don't want everything to be perfect. You're quite right about spreading the word being a good thing. I'm not stupid.  What about my point about the press?  Do you think it's a good thing for them to create fashions in this that and the other bloody thing just to sell papers? How many times do you read about somebody being " the forgotten something or other" when you and everybody you know has known about them all along. Some of these people  think that because they haven't heard of somebody then they must be rediscovered or re-appraised or some other old bollicks. Thre's not enough people taking the piss out of other people these days, in my opinion. Do you really think that "Back then, you'd only find compilations of her music in deep, dusty bargain bins."? Is that true? Or is it a slightly silly thing to say, motivated by a sub-conscious belief that if Jude Rogers hasn't heard of Sandy Denny then nobody else will have.

Hi Peter

I thoroughly agree with most of what you say, and apologies if I put words into your mouth. It’s irritating as hell when the press invents a fashion for X, then tells you a year later that “X is SO last year” and you should be listening, to/reading/watching/wearing Y. I just didn’t feel that those criticisms – generally valid as they are – were justified by Jude’s inoffensive and well-intentioned attempt to push Sandy onto the agenda of the chattering classes (especially those who trooped off to the O2 to see Laughing Lennie). Sure she makes mistakes, but show me a journo who doesn’t. There was at least one Best Of compilation widely available in 1998; and Sandy must have been nearer 20 than 22 when she wrote WKWTTG, since her first recording of it was in spring 1967. I suppose, having dabbled in music journalism myself, I’m more forgiving of the rhetorical flourish than you. But I think we’re basically in agreement.

Back on topic: I was sorry to learn that Kamila Thompson has had to pull out of the tribute gig with a throat infection. Her contribution was one of the highlights for me of the Troubadour event in April and I was looking forward to hearing her again.  

Best, Philip  
 

[Chris]

Back on topic: I was sorry to learn that Kamila Thompson has had to pull out of the tribute gig with a throat infection. Her contribution was one of the highlights for me of the Troubadour event in April and I was looking forward to hearing her again.  

Indeed, as was I....also, missing, according to the South Bank website....

Please note due to unforeseen circumstances Eddi Reader, and Florence and the Machine are no longer be performing. Sadly Kami Thompson has also had to pull out due to a throat infection. She extends her apologies.

Hopefully, Kami will be well enough for the Thompson Family Christmas gig in a couple of weeks time.

There are 24 seats still available at the time of writing this - come on, let's make this a sell-out!

[Jan_]

Sandy must have been nearer 20 than 22 when she wrote WKWTTG, since her first recording of it was in spring 1967.

I'm sure I have heard Simon say that Sandy was 17 or 18 when she wrote that song, which is amazing when you think about it.

[davidmjs]

One of The Independent's "Five Best Jazz, Blues & World Gigs of the week" along with Keith Jarrett, Show of Hands, Abdullah Ibrahim and Fulborn Teversham & Leafcutter John....

[PLW (Peter)]

Sandy must have been nearer 20 than 22 when she wrote WKWTTG, since her first recording of it was in spring 1967.

I'm sure I have heard Simon say that Sandy was 17 or 18 when she wrote that song, which is amazing when you think about it.

When she wrote it and when she first recorded it are two different things.

[PLW (Peter)]

10 years ago!! Imagine that!! Don't you just love the young when they "discover" something. And the press. Did you ever see a headline "EVERYTHING GOING ON MUCH AS BEFORE! NOTHING MUCH HAPPENS!!??

What’s your point exactly, jaypeter? You’re bothered by young people’s naïve enthusiasm when they “discover” something that oldies have known about for years? I would have thought that’s to be welcomed. It’s only by successive generations rediscovering them that things of importance are kept in the public eye – they pass on the enthusiasm to their peers. Jude R wrote another piece about Sandy in The Word last summer where she said she was born the week after Sandy died, making her emphatically of the post-Sandy generation. It’s this generation (well represented in the line-up for the concert) who will carry interest forward into the future. Same as happened to Nick Drake.

Well thanks for asking me what my point is and then telling me. "You’re bothered by young people’s naïve enthusiasm when they “discover” something that oldies have known about for years?" No, I just thought it was a bit funny. Actually I was simply poking fun at her presumably thinking ten years is a jolly long time. Sadly, to me, it ain't. I absolutely hate the closed club view of music, "I know this, you don't, so you can't be in the in-crowd".  I just thought the article wasn't perfect, sorry. And before you have a go at me for that, no I don't want everything to be perfect. You're quite right about spreading the word being a good thing. I'm not stupid.  What about my point about the press?  Do you think it's a good thing for them to create fashions in this that and the other bloody thing just to sell papers? How many times do you read about somebody being " the forgotten something or other" when you and everybody you know has known about them all along. Some of these people  think that because they haven't heard of somebody then they must be rediscovered or re-appraised or some other old bollicks. Thre's not enough people taking the piss out of other people these days, in my opinion. Do you really think that "Back then, you'd only find compilations of her music in deep, dusty bargain bins."? Is that true? Or is it a slightly silly thing to say, motivated by a sub-conscious belief that if Jude Rogers hasn't heard of Sandy Denny then nobody else will have.

Anyway thanks for waking me up,

All the best

Peter Jay

 P.S. OK let me modify my original sentiment. How about "Don't you just love SOME young people and some other people of indeterminate age" when they "discover" something."

Will to live. Losing. Fast.  

[Aquamarine]

Back to the gig--for those of us with a bit too far to travel, any chance of this being recorded (legally, I mean)?

[Philip W]

Further to her Guardian column, Jude Rogers writes in her blog:

‘Sadly, my copy was cut a bit because of a big Elton John advert – these are the times in which we live! – but I had more to say about Sandy's song too, especially the Nina Simone version.’

Those who know their Fotheringay history will relish the irony that this is not the first time Sandy has been upstaged by Elton *!*%$* John.

The gig on Monday is now sold out. Amazing the power of radio: they shifted over a hundred tickets after the mention on Woman’s Hour. Will it be recorded? According to the buzz I’m picking up, the answer to that question will be apparent on the night.

[Sean Davies]

I was probably one of the first people to record Sandy, at the studio I ran at Cecil Sharp House, when she was with the Strawbs.
I didn't know about the concert until today: is there any chance of a ticket?
maybe wishful thinking...

[giottoscircle (Robert)]

I was probably one of the first people to record Sandy, at the studio I ran at Cecil Sharp House, when she was with the Strawbs.
I didn't know about the concert until today: is there any chance of a ticket?
maybe wishful thinking...

sean you have pm

[Jim]

I was probably one of the first people to record Sandy, at the studio I ran at Cecil Sharp House, when she was with the Strawbs.
I didn't know about the concert until today: is there any chance of a ticket?
maybe wishful thinking...

sean you have pm

ask and you shall recieve

[Chris]

Just to report that rehearsals went well today & tomorrow should bring a gig that those present will remember.....as should the two TAWers here that are organising it......a lot of hard work has gone into this production & it will show.

[Anne Dunn]

should the two TAWers here that are organising it......a lot of hard work has gone into this production & it will show.

who are they?
Well done for getting it off the ground, really sorry I can't be there, hope it goes well and maybe gets recorded.

[Chris]

They've both posted in this thread - they can own up or keep their privacy.....

[Sam]

have a great time tonight... and ignore the rude bastards on the list ! well done for otrganising this

[DaviD J (was geriatrix)]

We will, thanks! And surely you mean this forum and not the FCList - this time, anyway! :-)