Swarb NOT at the Barbican

[Jack O Diamonds]

The suggestion that we might "leave it there peeps" is at best a joke... There has been a bad feeling about this almost since it was announced... I for one was ecstatic that early FC was going to be on the stage again - RT, Simon Nicol, Ashley Hutchings, Iain Matthews with necessary (and excellent) stand-ins for Martin and Sandy in the shape of the great DM and one (or, if necessary more) of the range of possible female singers plus Swarb. However, the "other guests" bit sounded worrying... particularly La Famille Thompson, Martin Carthy... others? Now we have Swarb checking out... no-one has a clue exactly what is or is not happening who or is not performing. Unacceptable. I cancelled a significant other engagement to attend what I believed (was strongly led to believe) would be a set focused on FC's best ever albums... What We Did On Our Holidays and Unhalfbricking... plus Liege & Lief (to keep the 40 years/1969 theme) and Full House (fine album but only included at a 1970 stretch)... Now? God only knows.... and I don't mean add The Beach Boys to the schedule (although that's always a nice option). So no... I won't "leave it there peeps"... And as for the curiously mad suggestion that Chris Leslie stand in for Swarb and sing.... PLEASE NO......

i would love to be able to go to this gig...

jude is there.. that in itself is rare.
why " has there been  bad feeling about this gig from the beginning " .. for gods sake?

you say:

" However, the "other guests" bit sounded worrying... particularly La Famille Thompson, Martin Carthy... others? "

um why? all fantastic musicians, all with great pedigrees.. what is the problem. how can you possibly moan about this ? lol

this is a one off event, which i wish i could get to but can't. can people not just enjoy it and trust that fairport and associated musos will produce a wonderful show?

how bizarre ..
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Thank you for a customarily fatuous "reply". How can I possibly moan, you ask? Well how about being sold a bill of goods?... The earliest announcement about this spoke of "1969", "Thompson, Nicol, Matthews, Hutchings, Swarbrick, Mattacks, some or other female vocalist". Not the extended Thompson family, Martin Carthy, a lenghthening list not "FC 1969" not solely "Thompson, Nicol, Matthews, Hutchings, Swarbrick, Mattacks, some or other female vocalist"... Now I appreciate that you may not care. These others are - as you rightly state - "all fantastic musicians, all with great pedigrees".... BUT IT'S NOT A SPECIAL ONE-OFF FOCUSED EVENT PERFORMING/CELEBRATING 1969 WHEN FC WAS A GREAT BAND...

You do know the problem, don't you? Many on this site are (as someone actually put it) "just happy to look forward to whatever is offered"... regardless of whatever happens to be "advertised". I'm not. It's called discernment, love...

But no... really... thanks for the point-missing fatuity of a post... (and PLW can butt out)

[Jim]

i rather agree with jackie boy
the initial show was going to be the reunion of fc69
and while all the others may well be nice people and fine performers they arnt what it promised to be
and an underrehearsed sing along isnt quite what i was hoping for

[davidmjs]

Thank you for a customarily fatuous "reply". How can I possibly moan, you ask? Well how about being sold a bill of goods?... The earliest announcement about this spoke of "1969", "Thompson, Nicol, Matthews, Hutchings, Swarbrick, Mattacks, some or other female vocalist". Not the extended Thompson family, Martin Carthy, a lenghthening list not "FC 1969" not solely "Thompson, Nicol, Matthews, Hutchings, Swarbrick, Mattacks, some or other female vocalist"... Now I appreciate that you may not care. These others are - as you rightly state - "all fantastic musicians, all with great pedigrees".... BUT IT'S NOT A SPECIAL ONE-OFF FOCUSED EVENT PERFORMING/CELEBRATING 1969 WHEN FC WAS A GREAT BAND...

You do know the problem, don't you? Many on this site are (as someone actually put it) "just happy to look forward to whatever is offered"... regardless of whatever happens to be "advertised". I'm not. It's called discernment, love...

But no... really... thanks for the point-missing fatuity of a post... (and PLW can butt out)

Yum yum....Nice tone.

So you'll be contacting the Ticket office for a refund...and somebody who wants to be there can be.  Everyone's happy.  Move right on...

[jude]

i rather agree with jackie boy
the initial show was going to be the reunion of fc69
and while all the others may well be nice people and fine performers they arnt what it promised to be
and an underrehearsed sing along isnt quite what i was hoping for

Ummm, would it make you any happier if I pulled out as well?  
(I have no intention of doing so by the way)

And it will be in no way under-rehearsed, nor will it be a 'sing-a-long'

This thread is making me feel increasingly uncomfortable and unwelcome..

[fat Billy(Bill)]

should anyone not want to go they could donate their tickest to me  

I would love to see jude and all those fine performers

[Amethyst (Jenny)]

I'm with you there Billy!

[Tasha]

i rather agree with jackie boy
the initial show was going to be the reunion of fc69
and while all the others may well be nice people and fine performers they arnt what it promised to be
and an underrehearsed sing along isnt quite what i was hoping for

Ummm, would it make you any happier if I pulled out as well?  
(I have no intention of doing so by the way)

And it will be in no way under-rehearsed, nor will it be a 'sing-a-long'

This thread is making me feel increasingly uncomfortable and unwelcome..

I hope you don't feel unwelcome Jude! I for one wish i was going its on my Birthday! But i physicaly can't get down there from work in time.
I can understand the upset at Swarb not being there etc, as I've already said, but if its not what Jack and others want to see then there is time to get refunds. However I don't see the point of being off about who is there.

[Jim]

i rather agree with jackie boy
the initial show was going to be the reunion of fc69
and while all the others may well be nice people and fine performers they arnt what it promised to be
and an underrehearsed sing along isnt quite what i was hoping for

Ummm, would it make you any happier if I pulled out as well?  
(I have no intention of doing so by the way)

And it will be in no way under-rehearsed, nor will it be a 'sing-a-long'

This thread is making me feel increasingly uncomfortable and unwelcome..

No Jude, not at all, the idea of a celebration of early Fairport is fine topped off by the last hurrah of the FC69 line up
but it seems to have become something it wasnt initially billed as, and not what I had hoped for,
Swarb did have a problem with rehearsal time though
Its just that it seems like an opportunity lost
this is all a bit academic for me since i wasnt going in any case

[AngieH]

Jude...I'm sure that none of this it directed at you, and I hope that other posters will confirm that.  I was delighted to learn after I'd got my ticket that you will be there.

I'm not sufficiently geeky to remember, (or look up, or really care) exactly who was in the band on each album, but I am looking forward to wallowing in general early Fairport nostalgia, and you're an integral part of that era for me.

And this is why I think it's a pity that Swarb won't be there.  And I don't really understand what Teddy and Kamila etc will add.  I'm ashamed to say that I'd never heard of Linde Nijland.  


(PS, Tasha...it's my b'day too!)

[Chris]

I think we have the solution....

Unfortunately, this gig has changed from what was originally advertised. We are obviously not going to be told why, although artists have apologised here. There seems little point in continually rehashing or repeating upset feelings. We are where we are. Can we move on......

However, there are still many who would rather be there than not, so anyone not now wishing to attend can advertise their tickets here and I'm sure you will get takers. There is still time to cancel hotel bookings and the like, so iot's a good chance you won't even be out of pocket if you advertise now.

If anyone has anything new to add, please post it here.

[PLW (Peter)]

i rather agree with jackie boy
the initial show was going to be the reunion of fc69
and while all the others may well be nice people and fine performers they arnt what it promised to be
and an underrehearsed sing along isnt quite what i was hoping for

Ummm, would it make you any happier if I pulled out as well?  
(I have no intention of doing so by the way)

And it will be in no way under-rehearsed, nor will it be a 'sing-a-long'

This thread is making me feel increasingly uncomfortable and unwelcome..

If the astonishing impromptu performance of Time Will Show the Wiser a couple of years ago at Cropredy is anything to go by, it will be anything but an under-rehearsed singalong.

And don't forget Jude, a message board is a self-selecting minority: the vast majority of the audience won't have even heard of this board or be aware of this discussion. Enjoy the show and give it everything you've got!

[davidmjs]

I'm not sufficiently geeky to remember, (or look up, or really care) exactly who was in the band on each album

Conclusive proof of your femininity if ever I saw it.  It's a bloke thing, isn't it?  

[Sam]

The suggestion that we might "leave it there peeps" is at best a joke... There has been a bad feeling about this almost since it was announced... I for one was ecstatic that early FC was going to be on the stage again - RT, Simon Nicol, Ashley Hutchings, Iain Matthews with necessary (and excellent) stand-ins for Martin and Sandy in the shape of the great DM and one (or, if necessary more) of the range of possible female singers plus Swarb. However, the "other guests" bit sounded worrying... particularly La Famille Thompson, Martin Carthy... others? Now we have Swarb checking out... no-one has a clue exactly what is or is not happening who or is not performing. Unacceptable. I cancelled a significant other engagement to attend what I believed (was strongly led to believe) would be a set focused on FC's best ever albums... What We Did On Our Holidays and Unhalfbricking... plus Liege & Lief (to keep the 40 years/1969 theme) and Full House (fine album but only included at a 1970 stretch)... Now? God only knows.... and I don't mean add The Beach Boys to the schedule (although that's always a nice option). So no... I won't "leave it there peeps"... And as for the curiously mad suggestion that Chris Leslie stand in for Swarb and sing.... PLEASE NO......

i would love to be able to go to this gig...

jude is there.. that in itself is rare.
why " has there been  bad feeling about this gig from the beginning " .. for gods sake?

you say:

" However, the "other guests" bit sounded worrying... particularly La Famille Thompson, Martin Carthy... others? "

um why? all fantastic musicians, all with great pedigrees.. what is the problem. how can you possibly moan about this ? lol

this is a one off event, which i wish i could get to but can't. can people not just enjoy it and trust that fairport and associated musos will produce a wonderful show?

how bizarre ..

Thank you for a customarily fatuous "reply". How can I possibly moan, you ask? Well how about being sold a bill of goods?... The earliest announcement about this spoke of "1969", "Thompson, Nicol, Matthews, Hutchings, Swarbrick, Mattacks, some or other female vocalist". Not the extended Thompson family, Martin Carthy, a lenghthening list not "FC 1969" not solely "Thompson, Nicol, Matthews, Hutchings, Swarbrick, Mattacks, some or other female vocalist"... Now I appreciate that you may not care. These others are - as you rightly state - "all fantastic musicians, all with great pedigrees".... BUT IT'S NOT A SPECIAL ONE-OFF FOCUSED EVENT PERFORMING/CELEBRATING 1969 WHEN FC WAS A GREAT BAND...

You do know the problem, don't you? Many on this site are (as someone actually put it) "just happy to look forward to whatever is offered"... regardless of whatever happens to be "advertised". I'm not. It's called discernment, love...

But no... really... thanks for the point-missing fatuity of a post... (and PLW can butt out)
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no need to be like this.. it is a message board not a testosterone contest  
you have your opinion and i have mine yes? that is the point of discussion?
i have had the same convo with others here and neither of us have become abusive...
so polite request... CHILL .

[Sam]

I think we have the solution....

Unfortunately, this gig has changed from what was originally advertised. We are obviously not going to be told why, although artists have apologised here. There seems little point in continually rehashing or repeating upset feelings. We are where we are. Can we move on......

However, there are still many who would rather be there than not, so anyone not now wishing to attend can advertise their tickets here and I'm sure you will get takers. There is still time to cancel hotel bookings and the like, so iot's a good chance you won't even be out of pocket if you advertise now.

If anyone has anything new to add, please post it here.

well said and jude  

[jude]

Thank you for being so kind to me all of you that have messaged and posted.. it is quite odd to wear the two hats that I do, one as a musician and one as ole Jude the minimod and greyhound besotteder besotted person.

I do try to stay detached from these sorts of things, but sometimes I just have to stamp my wellie-booted foot

It will be a brilliant show and the songs from 40 years ago cannot be the same as when they were originally sung and played, and neither should they be, but hopefully the experiences and growth of the musicians playing them again will add an extra dimension.

I must practice my harping

[Keith]

So, who's organising the meet-up, so we can all say nice things to each other over a pint or two?

[will take this to the less angry thread]

[Chris]

Hmmm - it'll need to be someone with access to the local hostelries, as, being in the heart of the City, a fair number of hostelries in the locale are only open Mon-Fri.

Martin Driver would know one as he's prteviously organised a meet for a Barbican gig - which pub was it, Martin? And would you recommend it?

[Keith]

Hmmm - it'll need to be someone with access to the local hostelries, as, being in the heart of the City, a fair number of hostelries in the locale are only open Mon-Fri.

Martin Driver would know one as he's prteviously organised a meet for a Barbican gig - which pub was it, Martin? And would you recommend it?

See other thread:

http://www.pubs.com/pub_details.cfm?ID=181

[GubGub (Al)]

Can I just confirm that none of my comments are directed at Jude or Swarb or any of the performers, albeit that I think some of the "outsiders" are unnecessary. That certainly does not include our own beloved minimod!  

They do reflect my frustration at the lack of clarity around what this show is meant to be however, and the apparent conceptual change from the original announcement. I believe that we all heard of this show first from Swarb's own website so the latest development comes as a bit of an unfortunate surprise. Nevertheless, I'm sure FC67 will rock!

[leahdon (Donna)]

i rather agree with jackie boy
the initial show was going to be the reunion of fc69
and while all the others may well be nice people and fine performers they arnt what it promised to be
and an underrehearsed sing along isnt quite what i was hoping for

Ummm, would it make you any happier if I pulled out as well?  
(I have no intention of doing so by the way)

And it will be in no way under-rehearsed, nor will it be a 'sing-a-long'

This thread is making me feel increasingly uncomfortable and unwelcome..

Hi Jude,

I'm glad that you don't have an intention of dropping out, but sad that you needed to say it (and I fully appreciate why).  I think you are a very special case with relation to the Barbican gig, in that you are an original FC-er, pre '69. As someone who wanted to go, but can't as it's the same night as a charity concert I'm taking part in, I know that if I'd seen you on the line-up, I'd be thrilled, cos you're the one!!! I can't say the same for Thompson family members and Martin Carthy, as they're not actually FC-ers.  Save them for Saturday night at Cropredy - it's what we want and expect to see then.

And Simon N - if you're reading this - please don't take this as a negative at you or the organisation. If I were going, personally, i wouldn't be asking for a refund, I'd just 'rearrange my thinking'and be expecting a different sort of gig, than originally.

 

D
xx