That Strange Throat Singer

[abby (tank girl)]

haven't read the article, not gonna, but i have to ask what is trolling?

and point out that maybe there were some tibetan throat chanters there that were only audibe to some people.........

[YaBB Master (Colin)]

haven't read the article, not gonna, but i have to ask what is trolling?

Trolling is deliberately contentious posting, intended to stir things up for the Troll's entertainment and hopefully start a flame war.
It's very difficult to stop, because the Troll's next responce will be to complain that criticism isn't being allowed.

On TAW we normally ask the author for to expand on the reasons for their criticism. If they respond with a fair argument then no problem.

[abby (tank girl)]

haven't read the article, not gonna, but i have to ask what is trolling?

Trolling is deliberately contentious posting, intended to stir things up for the Troll's entertainment and hopefully start a flame war.
It's very difficult to stop, because the Troll's next responce will be to complain that criticism isn't being allowed.

On TAW we normally ask the author for to expand on the reasons for their criticism. If they respond with a fair argument then no problem.

thanks yobb x

[Woodpecker]

Anyway who said being a throat singer was a bad thing?

Rod Stewart made a couple of bob out of it!


Interesting that further through the comments that follow 'Ruth's' contribution is the suggestion that :  No Fairport = no Festival.  What do we think about that?   I can see the obvious: it is Fairport's Cropredy Convention.  But one of the things we all love is the Fairport ethos: 'Fairport' is bigger than any individual, 'Fairport' stands for good music whatever the genre,  Fairport supports talent young and old.

Just as Fairport can go on with personnel changes would the band want everything else that the Cropredy Festival stands for to finish if they do.  Has not the 'Fairport machine' bred enough civilised, respectable, honest people to want to continue this festival with out them?

(Although I can see that the other half of the equation (Fairport's Cropredy Convention) might not want to trust anyone else with their village!)

[Bob Barrows]

I think most people attend Cropredy for the magic moment of joining in together with FC for MOTL at the close of the festival.

It would not be Cropredy without Fairport IMO. If Fairport were not there, Cropredy would not likely figure into my travel plans for when I finally can afford to make the trip to blighty (maybe next summer if things continue to work out ...  ). I'm thinking I'm not alone in that.

[Ian_]

Anyway who said being a throat singer was a bad thing?

Rod Stewart made a couple of bob out of it!


Interesting that further through the comments that follow 'Ruth's' contribution is the suggestion that :  No Fairport = no Festival.  What do we think about that?   I can see the obvious: it is Fairport's Cropredy Convention.  But one of the things we all love is the Fairport ethos: 'Fairport' is bigger than any individual, 'Fairport' stands for good music whatever the genre,  Fairport supports talent young and old.

Just as Fairport can go on with personnel changes would the band want everything else that the Cropredy Festival stands for to finish if they do.  Has not the 'Fairport machine' bred enough civilised, respectable, honest people to want to continue this festival with out them?

(Although I can see that the other half of the equation (Fairport's Cropredy Convention) might not want to trust anyone else with their village!)

  ...And the VILLAGE(S) might not want to trust anyone else; the long history and slow evolution of this festival has probably ensured good relations between the band, the village and other people involved in the organisation of the event - so I think any transition in the form or 'ownership' of the fesival would have to be gradual, and sensitivly handled.

[jaypeter (Peter)]

I done some singin' with my froat today. And my mouth. And I reckon a bit come out my nose an' all. But it started down my froat.

[AdrianW]

I've read somewhere that the village will not permit a festival which is not run by Fairport - and can see their point. I'd be very apprehensive if a "generic" 20,000 licence music festival were to be held so close to my home.

[Andy]

That's a limiting viewpoint. Fairport cannot go on forever - perhaps another 10 years and that'll be that.  Would you want to close one (or both) pub(s) and the village stores and lose considerable income to the village on a point of principle so ill-founded?

[AdrianW]

I'd imagine that enough people would be concerned to cause some lively local debate, with some feeling that the loss of pubs and stores worth the peace of mind.

Careful continuance and evolution will be necessary to keep relations with the village sweet. For example, feral drunken yoof are bad enough on the camping fields, their running riot in the village would be a PR disaster. I'm glad steps are being taken to discourage them.

[hendo (Dave)]

This may not be the right thread but.......
I am not writing this to be contentious , i am not a troll and it's quite sad that i have to start a post with comments that sound defensive.
I have listened to Fairports for over 40 yrs. I have attended 20 plus Cropredys. I attend Cropredy with friends who have been going longer than me.
We decided not to go on the main field this yr although had a fabby day in the village on Sat and Leatherat were great. As i have said in other threads my reasons for not going were principally the line up but we were disappointed at the fairport set in 2008, not the guests, not the Sandy bit but funnilly enough the Babacombe Lee bits which have always been a favourite album and line up.
My wife loves Chris Leslie, his voice and song writing have brought something to the band but for me he has contributed to them losing their drive, the rock bit of folk rock, As somebody has said before 'take the best folk fiddler in the country and put him on mandolin.!'(it may just be age on both their and my part!)
I  hope i am allowed an opinion and it's one i would like to discuss. I don't think I'm stuck in a Sandy /RT time warp ,i have loved various incarnations of the band. I am the guy who still listens to 'Wounded Whale!'
I probably am an old f**t but Cropredy changed for me when it became three days, it changed again without Chris Peggs influence. I understand the reasons for change.
I just hope that this board remains  a place where i can say, 'I didn't like Fairports set or album etc' without becoming the anti christ.
Ruth is entitled to say she found the set dull. Talking about why she felt that and the feelings i have expressed above is surely what a music forum is for.?
Of to the realities of work and the real world.

[davidmjs]

This may not be the right thread but.......
I am not writing this to be contentious , i am not a troll and it's quite sad that i have to start a post with comments that sound defensive.
I have listened to Fairports for over 40 yrs. I have attended 20 plus Cropredys. I attend Cropredy with friends who have been going longer than me.
We decided not to go on the main field this yr although had a fabby day in the village on Sat and Leatherat were great. As i have said in other threads my reasons for not going were principally the line up but we were disappointed at the fairport set in 2008, not the guests, not the Sandy bit but funnilly enough the Babacombe Lee bits which have always been a favourite album and line up.
My wife loves Chris Leslie, his voice and song writing have brought something to the band but for me he has contributed to them losing their drive, the rock bit of folk rock, As somebody has said before 'take the best folk fiddler in the country and put him on mandolin.!'(it may just be age on both their and my part!)
I  hope i am allowed an opinion and it's one i would like to discuss. I don't think I'm stuck in a Sandy /RT time warp ,i have loved various incarnations of the band. I am the guy who still listens to 'Wounded Whale!'
I probably am an old f**t but Cropredy changed for me when it became three days, it changed again without Chris Peggs influence. I understand the reasons for change.
I just hope that this board remains  a place where i can say, 'I didn't like Fairports set or album etc' without becoming the anti christ.
Ruth is entitled to say she found the set dull. Talking about why she felt that and the feelings i have expressed above is surely what a music forum is for.?
Of to the realities of work and the real world.

That's all fine...but why the defensiveness?  You're allowed to say you don't enjoy something.  You've said it nicely.  No problem, is there?

[abby (tank girl)]

no problem at all hendo. xxx
i love some FC stuff, can't abide others, but i am the same with tull and i consider them to be one of my highest rated bands ever.  everyone has their down times.  and eeryone is entitled to their opinion.


i could spout about how much my better half can't be doing with FC and he only comes to crop to meet up with good people and humour me, but i won't.

much more likely to see you sat now hendo, if ya know what i mean.   are dogs allowed?

abby xx (tank girl)

[jaypeter (Peter)]

Ruth is entitled to say she found the set dull. Talking about why she felt that and the feelings i have expressed above is surely what a music forum is for.?

But it would have been better if she had stuck a in bit of analysis. More about why she thought FC were dull dull dull. She just sounded like a stroppy child. Also I just don't believe that the field cleared when FC came on. She just saw what she chose to see.

[Keith]

Hi Hendo, yes you were polite, that's the difference between you and Ruth. Tone is everything on the Internet, given that body language (about 70% of our face to face communication) is absent. Ruth's tone was combative, hence the response.

K.

N.B. If the field did clear after Fairport came on, I dread to think what the exit would have been like with a full field  

[jaypeter (Peter)]

Hi Hendo, yes you were polite, that's the difference between you and Ruth. Tone is everything on the Internet, given that body language (about 70% of our face to face communication) is absent. Ruth's tone was combative, hence the response.

K.

N.B. If the field did clear after Fairport came on, I dread to think what the exit would have been like with a full field  

Spot on.

[davidmjs]

But it would have been better if she had stuck a in bit of analysis. More about why she thought FC were dull dull dull. She just sounded like a stroppy child. Also I just don't believe that the field cleared when FC came on. She just saw what she chose to see.

After I left the 'front' after Yusuf was on, I was amazed at how sparsely populated the field was during the Fairport set.  A large percentage of those remaining in the top 2/3 of the field seemed - to me - entirely disengaged from the music taking place.

[jaypeter (Peter)]

Interesting. Have you got any other years or days to compare it with? Do you normally wander about during FC?

[Shane (Skirky)]

Interesting. Have you got any other years or days to compare it with? Do you normally wander about during FC?

If he normally doesn't, it would be illuminating in itself if this were the first year he did.

[GubGub (Al)]

But it would have been better if she had stuck a in bit of analysis. More about why she thought FC were dull dull dull. She just sounded like a stroppy child. Also I just don't believe that the field cleared when FC came on. She just saw what she chose to see.

After I left the 'front' after Yusuf was on, I was amazed at how sparsely populated the field was during the Fairport set.  A large percentage of those remaining in the top 2/3 of the field seemed - to me - entirely disengaged from the music taking place.

I think it has often been like that. From the back of the sound tower down, whether sitting or standing, most people are paying attention to the stage but I have noticed on many occasions when I have had to make my way up to the toilets during Fairport's set that there are many people for whom the music is perhaps more incidental to their other activities.

Incidentally, I do wonder whether the screen is part of the reason for less people standing up during Fairport's set. In the olden days you had to stand up to see the stage and once you were up you may as well jig about a bit. Now it seems that a lot of people, perhaps as a result of getting older, are not too worried about seeing the stage provide that they can see the screen and hear the music. I always used to go and stand somewhere near the front for Fairport's set but somehow I have made a subconscious decision not to to that for the last three years, possibly because th screen has fooled me into thinking I can see what is going on. I still like to stand up though.