TalkAwhile - The Folk Corporation Forum
November 01, 2024, 09:37:41 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
   Home   Help Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Nine or Rosie?  (Read 26528 times)
Shane (Skirky)
Simply looking at your dogtags
Global Moderator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3603



WWW
« on: July 11, 2010, 09:08:20 PM »

And why? There's a fiver on this.
Logged

Everyone's from somewhere, baby - might as well be here.
Sir Martin
ignore the signs for the dearie
Folkcorp Guru 2nd Dan
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 1559
Loc: Hebden Bridge


« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2010, 09:33:22 PM »

Nine, by a very long way.

Packed with great choons, I love trevors voice and in terms of the greats of the Fairport Canon;

Nine
Hexamshire Lass
Polly on the Shore
Bring Em Down
Possibly Parsons Green


Rosie
Rosie
Knights of the Road


Germany V's England really.

Logged

It's like the giant, generous, flip you to the world. Industry, the Internet, sport and the flipping Beatles. Flip you all melonfarmers, but especially Paris.
Nigel no longer of Lysander
OldSchool man of the world
Folkcorp Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 817
Loc: Hereford


A Grounding in Numbers


« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 10:10:49 PM »

Nine every time................Rosie, sentimental schmaltz

Cheers Nigel
Logged
davidmjs
less Yes than I probably should do
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Online Online

Posts: 14076
Loc: Penrith(ish)



WWW
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 10:15:39 PM »


Nine every time................Rosie, sentimental schmaltz

Cheers Nigel


I wouldn't have put it QUITE like that myself  Wink...but ultimately, that's my view too.

Nine is a milimetre away from being a truly classic album.  Rosie has a couple of great songs on it.  Not even close in my book...
Logged

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
GubGub (Al)
and that is where it gets a bit cheesy
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 7804
Loc: West Sussex


« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2010, 10:36:20 PM »

Also, Nine holds together as a coherent and consistent album. Rosie feels like a random collection of songs somewhat thrown together, which, given the circumstances of its recording, it basically was. Love Hungarian Rhapsody though.  Smiley
Logged
Shane (Skirky)
Simply looking at your dogtags
Global Moderator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3603



WWW
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2010, 10:51:39 PM »

I can already see where this is going...  Smiley  Keep 'em coming though, are there no Rosie champions among us?
Logged

Everyone's from somewhere, baby - might as well be here.
Big Dave
Virtual Giant
Folkcorp Guru 2nd Dan
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 1730
Loc: Hadfield (in the glorious High Peak of Derbyshire)


Stand us a pint guv!


« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2010, 10:56:09 PM »

C'mon my Rosie and rosin up bow, for the more I learn, the less I seem of to know my Rosie (Anna........)
Logged

Live life, live love, Live for FAIRPORT!!!!!!
Ollie
Always one there is.
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 3539
Loc: Sheffield

I Morris, therefore I am


WWW
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2010, 10:58:43 PM »


Also, Nine holds together as a coherent and consistent album.


Hmm... in places, yes, but as has been mentioned elsewhere before, the second half is pretty weak; quite what the thinking behind Big William and Pleasure & Pain was I'm not sure. Other than that, it is a good album, and generally better than Rosie.
Logged

"Tradition must be respected, convention can be broken; but only when you know which is which."
Dan O.
Ken Bruce gets it out every year
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 2064



« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2010, 11:36:06 PM »

Nine is one of my favourites in the whole Fairport canon. As mentioned previously, there are a couple of weaker tracks on it, but even they are listenable. I've said before in a different thread here some time ago that the current FC lineup should revive Bring 'Em Down, or if the trend for "another anniversary, another album recreation" catches on, then a Nine recreation would be most welcome. (Simon or R**** M***** as Trevor, Chris L as Swarb if Swarb doesn't want to do it, the others present and correct).
Logged
Maart
Folkcorp Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 611
Loc: Northwest Wales



WWW
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2010, 12:15:49 AM »

As much as I really love Rosie album, it's more of a Swarb record. Nine is a very strong FC album.
Logged
ddratb
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 11
Loc: New Jersey US of A

dave


« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2010, 04:28:30 AM »

Wow !  This was a lot tougher for me than I thought. I had both side by side and acted as if I had to buy/choose just one to keep..... after MUCH deliberation, the Rosie album wins ---(in a squeaker)  I think the Hen's March  does it for me.
Logged

This space available
hendo (Dave)
Ziggy's tonsorialist-in-law
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 3447
Loc: leicestershire


The 'unobtrusive percussionist'


« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 06:25:40 AM »

I can never hear Rosie without seeing the opening credits to the sitcom which the music was used for. Young nieve policeman walks down road etc Never really think of it as a fairport song.
 
Logged
YaBB Master (Colin)
Unelected and unaccountable
Administrator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3460
Loc: West Sussex


and mastery demands a certain style


WWW
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2010, 08:09:07 AM »

Having paid out for both records as they were released, Rosie wasn't disappointment, but Nine was a joy.

I put Nine in my Fairport top three (with L&L and Jewel in the Crown).
The sound quality of Nine on vinyl was also outstanding.
Logged

but BEING PAID -- what will compare with it?
Geetee (Gareth)
If I played fiddle instead of squeezebox I'd be smiling!
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 158
Loc: Moulton


« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2010, 08:20:04 AM »

Has to Nine. One of their best albums in my view and agree with Maart. Rosie has the feel of a Swarb outing more than an FC offering.Still a great album though. Grin
Logged
koho (Koen)
Can be! Not will be!
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 395
Loc: Zaandam, The Netherlands


« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2010, 08:33:06 AM »

Nine, despite one or two duds - having said that, my soft spot for especially The Plainsman on Rosie remains firm. I don't consider Rosie to be a bad album. Could have done with less syrup though ...
Logged
Andy
Brain half the size of a planet
Global Moderator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 8603
Loc: South West Wales


Not perfect. Never claimed to be.


WWW
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2010, 08:50:27 AM »

Both these albums come from a time when I was away from Fairport, my teenage years being more taken up with girls, Rory Gallagher, girls, Hawkwind and girls.

However, as I understand it, Rosie was a partial retread of an unreleased album ("At The Manor"), the remnants being "Rosie", "Matthew Mark Luke & John", "Me With You" and "My Girl", all credited to Dave Swarbrick or in conjuction with Dave Pegg. Nine has "Big William" (credited to Swarbrick/Lucas) from those sessions, although it's (unclear to me) if any were re-recorded or just transferred over. I've read that "Big William" differs significantly between the two, but haven't heard the former version, so can't comment directly.

Perhaps those who have heard the aborted album tracks may care to comment?

As such, both albums are patchy, Rosie's commonly acknowledged nadir being "Hungarian Rhapsody" which smacks of desperation to fill the album with another track, to me  Mind you, "Me with you" isn't half as twee as it thinks it is.

Then again, Nine has "Possibly Parsons Green"!  Shocked

So, Skirks, in answer to your question, on balance, "Nine", as a more coherent offering, at least in retrrospect, 37 years later.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2010, 09:02:12 AM by Andy Leslie » Logged

My Photos: Bands, People, Wildlife: https://tinyurl.com/AndyLeslieFlickr
Jules Gray
Go on, groove my truffles
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 12029
Loc: Cheltenham


What makes the buzzard buzz?


WWW
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2010, 09:17:36 AM »

I like Possibly Parsons Green!  Jerry plays a blinder on it for starters.  Good Trev vocal too.

But yeah, Nine is far far better to Rosie.  Rosie sounds like what it is - a patchwork from different sessions.  It also sounds like Swarb is running low on ideas.  He'd written well before, and would again, but some of his songs on Rosie are unremarkable.  Trev's songs are the best things on there for my money.  The album is by far the weakest album released under the Fairport Convention name up until that point, and indeed only Gottle O' Geer would rob it of that title before the decade was out.  Rosie doesn't suck, but it's for fans only.

Nine on the other hand is the work of a newly galvenised band firing on all cylinders.  Swarb's back on form, Trevor's on form, Jerry's on form, DM's back full time in the drum chair.  That lineup could have gone on to make other great records I think, and much as I love Sandy, I think her return to Fairport upset the chemistry of the Nine band.  Maybe later would have been better for everyone.  I dunno, just speculation.

But, before I ramble on and on and on, the answer is Nine.  For Polly On The Shore, Althea, Hexhamshire Lass, Bring 'Em Down, and, yes, Possibly Parsons Green.  Quality.

Jules
Logged

Now be thankful for good things below
GubGub (Al)
and that is where it gets a bit cheesy
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 7804
Loc: West Sussex


« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2010, 09:26:32 AM »


Rosie's commonly acknowledged nadir being "Hungarian Rhapsody"


I genuinely do love that track. I appreciate that it is a complete throwaway but it is a rare Dave Pegg writing credit and it makes me laugh!

While we're at at it, I like Big William, Pleasure & Pain and Possibly Parsons Green from Nine too.  Smiley
Logged
Jules Gray
Go on, groove my truffles
Folkcorp Guru 3rd Dan
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 12029
Loc: Cheltenham


What makes the buzzard buzz?


WWW
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2010, 09:28:03 AM »

I do think Big William was a mistake.  It lets the side down for Nine.

Jules
Logged

Now be thankful for good things below
Shane (Skirky)
Simply looking at your dogtags
Global Moderator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3603



WWW
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2010, 09:35:35 AM »

Thank you everybody, erudite and insightful in the finest TAW tradition!  Smiley
I appear to have been going in from each end of the Fairport canon and am about to finally meet in the middle...
Logged

Everyone's from somewhere, baby - might as well be here.
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.148 seconds with 20 queries.