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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2010, 12:52:39 PM » |
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It amazes me when when people say 'oh I don't look at Wikipedia it's all wrong' when they can put it right themselves.. Particularly artists who complain that the info is inaccurate..... it's very easy to correct..  Have you read this... http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/mar/23/popandrock2 ...on this very subject? There's easy, and there's 'easy'.  Well yes, I kind of had the same experience my self with my own page.. It's a bore having to look up where you said something in an online interview, that proves you were doing whatever you were doing. I'm still having a problem proving I knitted scarves and dishcloths on stage, rather than socks (I can't knit socks...) (I'll say it in the next interview I do and cite from that..  )
Good article from the ever wonderous Mike Scott, it got me to thinking, what deams someone worthy of being included on wikipaedia?
Usually some one who is a fan of either the person or the genre in which they work, will set up the original article. If not well known enough or the Wiki powers that be think it's not notable, then the page will disappear.. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2010, 01:32:26 PM » |
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For instance, the Wikipedia entry on Nick Zala, who is the pedal steel player on SftBH's 'Tree' album concludes ; This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources. (November 2007)So, as I understand it, if he says that he played on the album, and we say that he played on the album, apparently they need a review mentioning that he's on the album before they're happy*. Equally, Jude may well claim that she knitted scarves on stage to no avail but, as she implies, if she mentioned in passing during an interview with R2 that she first met Simon Nicol when navigating the Lancaster bomber that he was piloting and it got posted online, that would presumably be a reliable third party publication? *Whoever they might be. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2010, 01:41:15 PM » |
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she first met Simon Nicol when navigating the Lancaster bomber that he was piloting
I always knew that simon and jude had a touch of the "right stuff" about them. when did judy shave off the handlebar tach? |
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2010, 02:02:36 PM » |
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For instance, the Wikipedia entry on Nick Zala, who is the pedal steel player on SftBH's 'Tree' album concludes ; This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources. (November 2007)So, as I understand it, if he says that he played on the album, and we say that he played on the album, apparently they need a review mentioning that he's on the album before they're happy*. Equally, Jude may well claim that she knitted scarves on stage to no avail but, as she implies, if she mentioned in passing during an interview with R2 that she first met Simon Nicol when navigating the Lancaster bomber that he was piloting and it got posted online, that would presumably be a reliable third party publication? *Whoever they might be. Yup Otherwise it might just be what they* call 'puffery' Still in the main it's a useful marketing tool and the editors do try to keep it encyclopaedia like, rather than just PR stuff.. It's quite a giggle reading some of the more famous celebrity entries history and see how hard the editors work keeping them free of extraneous graffiti.. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2010, 02:04:38 PM » |
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she first met Simon Nicol when navigating the Lancaster bomber that he was piloting
I always knew that simon and jude had a touch of the "right stuff" about them. when did judy shave off the handlebar tach? That had to go in '48 fB. My mother said I was too young.. |
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2010, 05:06:47 PM » |
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This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources. (November 2007)
...and here's a good example of why references are, perhaps, useful, and why people who should know better should double-check them http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/10/balls_festival/Cheers Nick |
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2010, 05:38:52 PM » |
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nevertheless, we learn a lot from the product descripton:
"She emerged in the mid 1960s while still a teenager"
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2010, 06:00:32 PM » |
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108 pages 51 bucks. Nice work if you can get it!! And who is that on the cover?
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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2010, 06:18:01 PM » |
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...and here's a good example of why references are, perhaps, useful, and why people who should know better should double-check them Nick A game I like to play with our local paper's website is to compare the description of any event, person or place of note with its Wiki entry. Paywall, schmaywall. |
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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2010, 09:28:56 AM » |
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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2010, 01:26:10 PM » |
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Eventually and after failing to make a single correction, he revealed his identity but the chap was unimpressed and it didn't make a ha'pporth of difference to him - Facts were facts and needed to be corroborated! Artists' memories were abominably unreliable!
Mike Scott now thinks that he has been blessed with such a fastidious and diligent chronicler and has given up even pondering any corrections.
I'm risking retelling one here: Paul Jones, leaving a Blues Band gig some time ago was signing autographs before getting into the van/limo. When offered an old LP sleeve to scrawl on by a "completist" he handed it back, on the very good grounds that it was a band he'd never even seen, let alone been a member of. "Never been in that one mate!" The fan, with an insistent look in his eye, head cocked to one side, pushed it back to him, saying with immortal surety, "I think you'll find you were...." |
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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2010, 03:09:06 PM » |
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That's a link to the Mike Scott story. I believe the whole thing initially went on his blog (it might still be up on The Waterboys MySpace page) - this is the subsequent Guardian article on the affair. |
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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2010, 03:25:07 PM » |
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Martyn Joseph got stitched up on Wikipedia by one of his children  When he was interviewed, the host was apparently quoting the bogus facts at him, and flatly refusing to believe MJ when he denied them all |
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and all I really know is that kindness is better than any sort of terror, any kind of spite (Martyn Joseph)
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