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« on: March 14, 2012, 05:33:19 PM » |
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Ok, I've had a look on here, and a quick search online, perhaps someone here knows the answer. Don't I recall that the first appearance by ANY Fairport member on an album was not Swarb (as one would expect due to him being a few years older than anyone else when first he joined) but Bruce Rowland. If I recall correctly wasn't it some type of pipe and drum band thing in 1959? I know I saw that somewhere but cannot remember where.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 05:51:35 PM » |
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Bruce was born in '41 so its certainly quite possible...although I don't know the answer myself I'm afraid.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 06:44:36 PM » |
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Thanks David, just dawned on me I didn't look in the Patrick Humphries book, which may be where I saw it. I will have a look tonight.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 08:04:25 PM » |
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This sounds familiar...way back in the mists of time (probably some time around 2002, actually), I was at the Gosport & Fareham Easter Folk Festival, and chatting about Fairport-related stuff to the gentleman manning the cd and record stall. He pulled out an ancient LP of marching band music, pointed at one of the massed drummers and informed me that this was Bruce Rowland. So, Robert, you're barking up the right tree here, but the name and year of the album escapes me...anyone else like to take this one further ?
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 01:13:59 PM » |
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Thanks Dan-nice to know it wasn't a complete invention of my mind! Looked at the Patrick Humphries book last night, couldn't find it there, also checked Unconventional booklet (but theres so much in there I couldn't find it), but no luck. I'm thinking now it may have been mentioned in an old Mojo article that I believe I have still, so will have to check that now.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 03:25:00 PM » |
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aye thats him 3rd rank 4th from the left |
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 03:42:03 PM » |
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aye thats him 3rd rank 4th from the left LOL I was doubtful about his belonging to a Scots Guard band, being born in Middlesex and all, but I'm not really sure that this would have prevented him from joining that band ... would it? |
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 03:46:49 PM » |
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Thanks for the research Bob, wish I could find where I saw this written about. For some reason 1959 sticks out in my head but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 04:00:54 PM » |
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aye thats him 3rd rank 4th from the left Is he the one with a skirt on? |
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 04:23:24 PM » |
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Thanks for the research Bob, wish I could find where I saw this written about. For some reason 1959 sticks out in my head but I could be wrong.
Keep searching Robert... nothing worse than losing yer Mojo  I have a feeling Swarb appeared on at least one of those "Iron Muse"/Radio Ballads LPs, but I think they were early-mid 60s? Google calls... |
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 04:29:27 PM » |
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Sorry to double-post, but according to Swarb's discography page on his own website, his first record was released in 1962: Ewan MacColl, Alf Roberts, A L Lloyd, Peggy Seeger - "Whaler Out Of New Bedford".
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 04:39:19 PM » |
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Thanks for the research Bob, wish I could find where I saw this written about. For some reason 1959 sticks out in my head but I could be wrong.
Keep searching Robert... nothing worse than losing yer Mojo I have a feeling Swarb appeared on at least one of those "Iron Muse"/Radio Ballads LPs, but I think they were early-mid 60s? Google calls... Ironically Paul that is what brought the whole thing up for me. I was looking at the book to the Swarb box set and seeing some of the Radio Ballads stuff he did with Charles Parker and Ewan MacColl back before he had joined the Campbells. Then I thought, don't I remember reading about Bruce having an album before that. The search goes on......  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2012, 05:11:33 PM » |
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According to Wikipedia, in 1968, Bruce played drums on the Wynder K. Frog album "Out of the Frying Pan", his first recorded recordings (as it were). I have also found reference to an EP the year before with the same band entitled "Green Door/Dancing Frog". Demostrably Wikipedia isn't the oracle, if you do get any other info, perhaps you can update his entry. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 05:22:39 PM » |
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Thanks Andy, this is turning into a quest now! If I do find reference I will update his Oracle, I mean wiki entry |
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2012, 05:25:49 PM » |
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I'd be pretty surprised if he managed to get to 27 before his 1st recording session?
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2012, 05:31:07 PM » |
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He did a lot of session work, which would have not, in those days, earned him a credit on any recordings. In fact session musicians seldom get a mention even now as they are often - technically and musically - far superior to the "names" on the song. I knew Jon Davie of Home Service in the 1970s - he did a lot of session work back then and seldom got a credit.
I used to know a session singer who "backed" a certain very famous scots lass singer singing quite a few difficult riffs for her on record and occasionally, live. Nary a word of her name was said out loud to the public except perhaps at live concerts.
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2012, 06:15:42 PM » |
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At work, so can't check but just had a thought as to another place I may have seen this-that Pete Frame family tree that came with Fairport Unconventional perhaps? Will have a check later unless anyone has one handy.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2012, 06:58:36 PM » |
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At work, so can't check but just had a thought as to another place I may have seen this-that Pete Frame family tree that came with Fairport Unconventional perhaps? Will have a check later unless anyone has one handy.
Just checked this particular Pete Frame tree and it takes Bruce's career back to Wynder K Frog, Terry Reid, Ronnie Lane's Slim Chance and Joe Cocker but no further back than that, alas... |
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 07:01:52 PM » |
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Bugger! back to the drawing board then! Thanks for checking Dan, appreciate it.
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