Fairport Chatter

[davidmjs]

A question for those who know their specialist vinyl market better than I - is £200 for a top notch copy of Full House first pressing (with Poor Will on the sleeve) a reasonable price?

[Alan2]

The Rare Record Price Guide is the bible on such things. I dont know if its available online these days or not. Or you could check discogs for how much this edition is selling for  unless of course that's where you're looking already. First press Island albums do tend to be expensive,  that's all I know.
 

[davidmjs]

The Rare Record Price Guide is the bible on such things. I dont know if its available online these days or not. Or you could check discogs for how much this edition is selling for  unless of course that's where you're looking already. First press Island albums do tend to be expensive,  that's all I know.
 

I'm struggling to find the variant on Discogs, hence the question.  As far as I can tell there's only one sale on one I think it is (at £80...but it's fairly meaningless without knowing the condition).  

Hmmm.  I've never been a fan of bibles.  The RRPG is (I think) a work of fiction.  I like Record Collector but their valuing approach is meaningless...it bears no relationship to the market, which surely is all that actually matters.  I've seen albums that regularly sell at £20 listed as £80 ones, and regular £1000+ sellers put down as £100 ones.  I'm not a fan.

[Alan2]

I'm not that kind of  collector myself,that is I rarely buy used records, but I've known such people,  and they speak of the 'book price' as being something fixed. On the other hand people will say 'a record is worth what someone is prepared to okay for it, which is  perhaps more where you are David.

I recently bought a very nice looking copy of an ISB album on Island. I mean shiny, scratch free, with a sleeve bearing very little damage considering its age. Im not totally fed up with the results, but let's just say it doesn't sound as good as it looks.  It cost 14 pounds, and I don't know what pressing it is.

[Jules Gray]

I'm not that kind of  collector myself

Funnily enough, I always thought you were, because you always include labels and edition dates on your 'listening to' posts.

Jules

[davidmjs]

I'm not that kind of  collector myself,that is I rarely buy used records, but I've known such people,  and they speak of the 'book price' as being something fixed. On the other hand people will say 'a record is worth what someone is prepared to okay for it, which is  perhaps more where you are David.

I recently bought a very nice looking copy of an ISB album on Island. I mean shiny, scratch free, with a sleeve bearing very little damage considering its age. Im not totally fed up with the results, but let's just say it doesn't sound as good as it looks.  It cost 14 pounds, and I don't know what pressing it is.

But a 'book price' goes back to Parkers Guide for cars, which kind of 'set' the market (like Stanley Gibbons did for stamps).  It wasn't easy to find results of auctions, or of individual private and commercial sales.  The internet changed all that, of course.  You can see it all there.  This (that) is what things sell for.  How many people use Parkers Guide today?  I guess my point is that, after all these years, the RCPG only has a place in the world today if the prices within it reflects the market place itself.  I'd argue strongly that it doesn't.

What's the ISB, Alan?

[Alan2]

I'm not that kind of  collector myself

Funnily enough, I always thought you were, because you always include labels and edition dates on your 'listening to' posts.

Jules

Thats a habit I've developed posting on the  Hoffman forum, jules. Some people there go further and include matrix numbers and so on, often a photo of the album too.

[Alan2]

I'm not that kind of  collector myself,that is I rarely buy used records, but I've known such people,  and they speak of the 'book price' as being something fixed. On the other hand people will say 'a record is worth what someone is prepared to okay for it, which is  perhaps more where you are David.

I recently bought a very nice looking copy of an ISB album on Island. I mean shiny, scratch free, with a sleeve bearing very little damage considering its age. Im not totally fed up with the results, but let's just say it doesn't sound as good as it looks.  It cost 14 pounds, and I don't know what pressing it is.

But a 'book price' goes back to Parkers Guide for cars, which kind of 'set' the market (like Stanley Gibbons did for stamps).  It wasn't easy to find results of auctions, or of individual private and commercial sales.  The internet changed all that, of course.  You can see it all there.  This (that) is what things sell for.  How many people use Parkers Guide today?  I guess my point is that, after all these years, the RCPG only has a place in the world today if the prices within it reflects the market place itself.  I'd argue strongly that it doesn't.

What's the ISB, Alan?

Incredible String Band.

[davidmjs]

Incredible String Band.

Lol.  Er, yep...I meant, what is the record?

[Alan2]

Incredible String Band.

Lol.  Er, yep...I meant, what is the record?

Oh 🤭sorry. Be Glad for the Song  has no Ending. One of a very few ISB albums ive never had on vinyl. I've seen a few used copies over the years, always in what I'd call bad condition.

[Jules Gray]

That's a habit I've developed posting on the Hoffman forum, Jules. Some people there go further and include matrix numbers and so on, often a photo of the album too.

I've learned a lot of interesting stuff from that forum over the years, but the degree of anorak-osity is sometimes too much, even for me.

Jules

[davidmjs]

Oh 🤭sorry. Be Glad for the Song  has no Ending. One of a very few ISB albums ive never had on vinyl. I've seen a few used copies over the years, always in what I'd call bad condition.

Intriguing.  I think that Discogs only lists one Island UK release although there is a 1971 Netherlands one and a 1974 German one.  Next UK release is given as the 90's Edsel one....

[GubGub (Al)]

That's a habit I've developed posting on the Hoffman forum, Jules. Some people there go further and include matrix numbers and so on, often a photo of the album too.

I've learned a lot of interesting stuff from that forum over the years, but the degree of anorak-osity is sometimes too much, even for me.

Jules

I agree. I visit and participate regularly but you get the impression that many of the members are so obsessed with the minutiaie of audiophile sound quality that they are not actually listening to the music. They are listening to the equipment. No such danger for me with damaged hearing and limited funds.  

[bassline (Mike)]

A question for those who know their specialist vinyl market better than I - is £200 for a top notch copy of Full House first pressing (with Poor Will on the sleeve) a reasonable price?

I would say yes. My Price Guide has a mint copy listed as £225, but it's the 2008 edition.
2nd and 3rd pressings on Eil. are priced between £15 and £75 according to the condition.
I have a second pressing, which I think I paid £45 for in approx 2004.

[Peter Allen]

I bought a copy of Full House vinyl with Poor Will listed on the label  in 2017 on Ebay for £20 , and then added the sleeve , in fairly rough condition for £18
I was very actively looking for a replacement Full House , but just got lucky , the seller didn't know what they had and was happy receiving
 £20
The sleeve seller advertised it exactly as it is and confirmed that it was well worn , but very rare , this year , I still feel lucky to have picked them up for little money .

I have seen valuations  4 or 5 years ago of £80 to £100 , so I would say £150 + more if it's in better condition in 2020

[Bernie]

Posted something and has disappeared...any ideas..did I press the wrong button?

[Andy]

Posted something and has disappeared...any ideas..did I press the wrong button?

No sign in the Memory Hole, so, Yes, you hit the wrong button, Mr Jetson.

[davidmjs]

In honour of Sandy's birthday, Emma Swift https://www.emmaswift.com/ put together a playlist of different versions of WKWTTG.  Most of the versions you never want to hear twice, but it's fascinating nonetheless.... https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6V3uQ7SfCsh7j8x4ZIfwB5?si=onTpas2mSx2JjGphslfyxQ&fbclid=IwAR1suQ4SUxp7rE_dxfrjqBcCM9gEupv-Nd-tzuB7XCKwVRoBMbr7hSjOwKE

[Dan O.]

The best performance (if not best then definitely hovering in the top 3) of WKWTTG is Chris & Kellie While's from Cropredy 2008. They just "get" it completely...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8R-Gb0t6T4

[davidmjs]

The best performance (if not best then definitely hovering in the top 3) of WKWTTG is Chris & Kellie While's from Cropredy 2008. They just "get" it completely...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8R-Gb0t6T4

I don't disagree with that.