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« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2016, 12:35:52 PM » |
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For everybody that is put off by a little (almost always constructive) criticism of their beloved heroes, there is another person who's alienated by uncritical sycophantic praise. Horses for courses. It's a place for discussion. That's what discussion means! If you're 'not allowed to' discuss a new album (which includes speculating about it in advance following a press release) then there really is no point for it to exist.
Your opinion, others may vary. But "constructive" it can't be, before release, can it? We 're going round in circles here Chris. I have read no criticism of the album, we can't, it doesn't exist. I have read criticism, constructive and not , of the concept. As I said I hope it's a stonking album but difficult for this line up of the band to put out a live album of the well known songs that haven't been heard already. I think ,' by Popular Request ' created the problem , in a good way because it covers most of the older material , by this incarnation of the band, that most fans would want to hear. I am not a completist. Why would I want a live version of a song I already have? That's not criticism just my personal opinion. .....and a big sticky kiss from me!😘😱😉 |
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« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2016, 12:53:23 PM » |
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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2016, 01:08:20 PM » |
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For everybody that is put off by a little (almost always constructive) criticism of their beloved heroes, there is another person who's alienated by uncritical sycophantic praise. Horses for courses. It's a place for discussion. That's what discussion means! If you're 'not allowed to' discuss a new album (which includes speculating about it in advance following a press release) then there really is no point for it to exist.
Your opinion, others may vary. But "constructive" it can't be, before release, can it? We 're going round in circles here Chris. I have read no criticism of the album, we can't, it doesn't exist. I have read criticism, constructive and not , of the concept. As I said I hope it's a stonking album but difficult for this line up of the band to put out a live album of the well known songs that haven't been heard already. I think ,' by Popular Request ' created the problem , in a good way because it covers most of the older material , by this incarnation of the band, that most fans would want to hear. I am not a completist. Why would I want a live version of a song I already have? That's not criticism just my personal opinion. .....and a big sticky kiss from me!😘😱😉 I agree with all of this, (apart from the big sticky kiss!). Criticism of the concept seems perfectly valid to me. Personally I wonder how many copies of a new album Fairport sell these days (not that many?) and how many are "casual" rather than "hardcore" purchases (even less?). If it isn't many then the income from a new album can hardly be crucial and it seems a shame that the chance wasn't taken to do something a little different or unexpected. |
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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2016, 06:16:11 PM » |
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Only if one of them is Gottle o'Geer  - which, fwiw, I quite enjoy... Actually, you've reminded me that was the last one I bought. Part of a '3 for £20' promo, some years a go. It has its moments. I now have my quota of 'undemanding ' listening material. |
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« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2016, 06:19:46 PM » |
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Only if one of them is Gottle o'Geer - which, fwiw, I quite enjoy... Actually, you've reminded me that was the last one I bought. Part of a '3 for £20' promo, some years a go. It has its moments. I now have my quota of 'undemanding ' listening material. Alan, I think you accidentally added an "s" to the word "moment". Jules |
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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2016, 06:22:02 PM » |
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« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2016, 07:08:34 PM » |
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Only if one of them is Gottle o'Geer - which, fwiw, I quite enjoy... Actually, you've reminded me that was the last one I bought. Part of a '3 for £20' promo, some years a go. It has its moments. I now have my quota of 'undemanding ' listening material. Alan, I think you accidentally added an "s" to the word "moment". Jules If he'd have called it a hit, he would have been leaving one off. |
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« Reply #67 on: November 29, 2016, 09:18:22 PM » |
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Am I allowed to state that I hope that Fairport's new album is an improvement on the last 8 albums, because I found them safe, lacking energy and the self penned tracks a bit cliched. Though you cannot deny the ability of the musicians and quality of the vocals.
This. The thing is, Fairport know some fine song writers. In addition, there are other song writers they could reach out to (Ray Davies, Andy Partridge to name two) who could do them proud if they had a mind to. IMO the last great Fairport album was Jewel In The Crown where they made a point of stretching them selves and actively seeking out new material. They should try it again. |
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« Reply #68 on: November 29, 2016, 11:28:24 PM » |
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Am I allowed to state that I hope that Fairport's new album is an improvement on the last 8 albums, because I found them safe, lacking energy and the self penned tracks a bit cliched. Though you cannot deny the ability of the musicians and quality of the vocals.
This. The thing is, Fairport know some fine song writers. In addition, there are other song writers they could reach out to (Ray Davies, Andy Partridge to name two) who could do them proud if they had a mind to. IMO the last great Fairport album was Jewel In The Crown where they made a point of stretching them selves and actively seeking out new material. They should try it again. Totally agree and Maart was on great form on the album and raised everything another level. |
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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2016, 06:55:38 AM » |
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I wouldn't go quite so far as 'great' but I certainly agree that Jewel in the Crown was the last decent stab Fairport made at recording an album. It's certainly the last one I listen to regularly. It came out 21 years ago.....  |
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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2016, 08:45:50 AM » |
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I wouldn't go quite so far as 'great' but I certainly agree that Jewel in the Crown was the last decent stab Fairport made at recording an album. It's certainly the last one I listen to regularly. It came out 21 years ago..... I know I will be in the minority but I think Who Knows is a better album than Jewel - John Gaudie, Spanish Main, Dangerous, Tom Paine etc. But an interesting thought about songwriters previously. I wonder whether in the 59th anniversary year a tribute to Fairport, like the RT Beat The Retreat, might be on the cards somewhere. Established artists playing their favourite FC songs, I know that Ocean Colour Scene play Meet on the Ledge for instance. DW |
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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2016, 08:48:39 AM » |
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I'd prefer Counting Crows to Ocean Colour Scene (said he, controversially  ) |
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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2016, 09:58:55 AM » |
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I'd prefer Counting Crows to Ocean Colour Scene (said he, controversially ) And I'd prefer to never have to hear either again as long as I live. Jules |
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« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2016, 10:00:37 AM » |
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I'd prefer Counting Crows to Ocean Colour Scene (said he, controversially ) And I'd prefer to never have to hear either again as long as I live. Jules touche and also quite correct |
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« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2016, 10:23:46 AM » |
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I wouldn't go quite so far as 'great' but I certainly agree that Jewel in the Crown was the last decent stab Fairport made at recording an album. It's certainly the last one I listen to regularly. It came out 21 years ago..... Then again, which was the last best album before that? What everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring is that FC haven't actually been a great albums band since about 1970. Expecting them to start again now is probably wishful thinking to the nth degree. Having said that, I personally think that Myths and Heroes is the closest they've got since Jewel. |
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« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2016, 10:46:02 AM » |
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I wouldn't go quite so far as 'great' but I certainly agree that Jewel in the Crown was the last decent stab Fairport made at recording an album. It's certainly the last one I listen to regularly. It came out 21 years ago..... Then again, which was the last best album before that? What everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring is that FC haven't actually been a great albums band since about 1970. Expecting them to start again now is probably wishful thinking to the nth degree. Having said that, I personally think that Myths and Heroes is the closest they've got since Jewel. I prefer Myths to JitC... |
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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2016, 10:54:16 AM » |
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I think it was Simon who described Fairport albums as being like "postcards home" - a way of letting fans knowing what the band was like at any particular time, his point being that they are really a live act and that recording was a secondary activity for them.
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« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2016, 11:15:06 AM » |
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I prefer Myths to JitC...
I think I do - the thing is that although I'm familiar with most of the material, there are so many compilations from that period that I don't think I own any of the actual individual LPs except Red and Gold. |
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« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2016, 11:25:11 AM » |
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I prefer Myths to JitC...
I think I do - the thing is that although I'm familiar with most of the material, there are so many compilations from that period that I don't think I own any of the actual individual LPs except Red and Gold. I love Myths and Heroes and I've never been a massive fan of Jewel in the Crown (one or two great individual tracks, but as a whole I've always thought it was overrated) However, it is, as they say, in my humble opinion! |
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« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2016, 12:32:11 PM » |
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I think part of the problem is quality control in the time since CDs were introduced.
Those great albums of the 70s were generally limited to around 40 minutes, but those since have been 60 plus.
I also think Jewell was their last really decent album but that too suffers from a fair amount of filler.
Less is sometimes more.
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