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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2016, 09:41:46 PM » |
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I think you can still get tickets to that awardshiw with RT too
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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2016, 10:10:29 PM » |
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The ones that really pee me off are the big priced items...does he really believe a 90 minute guitar lesson with him is 'worth' £2k or a house concert should cost £32k+? With near enough no control over who you're playing to/teaching, hell yeah. We're in a society where the executive class are paying themselves unbelievable amounts of money, and if a few musos can get a bit of it more power to them... Think of some of the people who might have the resources to pay even what you might consider a reasonable fee, and ask yourself how much you'd want to be paid to provide them personal service in whatever your profession is... With the collapse of record sales there's probably damn little in back catalogue earnings compared to once there was, even for someone like RT, and as we should all be aware you never know when you might suddenly be unable to earn a living and yet have years of living expenses in front of you. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2017, 07:49:53 AM » |
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The ones that really pee me off are the big priced items...does he really believe a 90 minute guitar lesson with him is 'worth' £2k or a house concert should cost £32k+? With near enough no control over who you're playing to/teaching, hell yeah. We're in a society where the executive class are paying themselves unbelievable amounts of money, and if a few musos can get a bit of it more power to them... Think of some of the people who might have the resources to pay even what you might consider a reasonable fee, and ask yourself how much you'd want to be paid to provide them personal service in whatever your profession is... With the collapse of record sales there's probably damn little in back catalogue earnings compared to once there was, even for someone like RT, and as we should all be aware you never know when you might suddenly be unable to earn a living and yet have years of living expenses in front of you. Nope, sorry, whilst agreeing with your 'background' sentence ("We're in a society.."), I don't buy into any of your conclusions. Literally or metaphorically. |
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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2017, 02:08:03 PM » |
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This is a real tangent but does relate to the posts above.
In the 80's I was a head of yr in a state secondary school.
A parent couldn't make parents evening but I really wanted to talk to him re his son.
I used to leave school about 6 . He worked in the city and explained that he could lose money if he had to be at the school for 6.
He could make 8.30
What I did next is not like me and I wouldn't have carried it through but something about his tone annoyed me.
So I said 8.30 was fine but because it was outside school hours I would have to charge! I quoted him his own consultancy rate.
Suddenly a 6 pm meet was no problem.
The moral?
Sometimes people being aware of your worth reinforces the quality of what you do.
However, I didn't go and see Springsteens last tour, I won't go and see Tom Petty , much as I want to. Silly money. So music has become elitist. If only the very wealthy can afford the VIP area, or even the gig it us very very sad but I still do not question RT for maximising what he earns. As I said he's paid his dues.
I ran an open mic last night and a guy came up and sang Hallelulah. If I had a pound for every time I have heard that an open mic but he was exceptional. Magical moment that silenced very full pub of a New Year's Eve crowd. His fee? I bought him a pint!
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« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2017, 02:41:03 PM » |
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Perhaps I'm in a minority of one but even with Live at the BBC, the Free Reed box, the extra tracks on the Island records, and of course the 1975 live record, I don't think justice has been done to Richard and Linda live. If RT needs to top up his pension fund, a nicely cleaned up live record from RT and LT vintages 1972/3, 1975, 1980 and 1981/2 would be great. Surely there'd be a market for that?
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« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2017, 07:03:34 PM » |
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If RT needs to top up his pension fund, a nicely cleaned up live record from RT and LT vintages 1972/3, 1975, 1980 and 1981/2 would be great. Surely there'd be a market for that?
Only a very small one and not one which is likely to provide much financial reward for the artists, given the state of the modern recording industry and physical product sales in general. For what it is worth, my view on this is that provided there is a standard CD release of this at a normal price (which is all that most of us want), I really don't care about the rest of it. Nobody is under any pressure to pledge for any of it and, as Jude suggests, I suspect that some of the prices reflect a reluctance on RT's part to actually partcipate. I'm not sure in any case that it is too different in principle from the Frets and Refrains breaks or the cruises that RT has been involved with where attendees get exclusive access to the artist if they can afford the fare. They are supplements to his income which allow him to continue in a world where the rewards from recording are negligible. But the day job remains for those of us who only care about that aspect of his career. |
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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2017, 07:11:20 AM » |
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But the day job remains for those of us who only care about that aspect of his career.
Access to which seems to have doubled in price in the last year. Which is sort of where all this started (a few months back)..... |
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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2017, 08:53:18 AM » |
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But the day job remains for those of us who only care about that aspect of his career.
Access to which seems to have doubled in price in the last year. Which is sort of where all this started (a few months back)..... Let's just hope he plays some provincial dates with tickets at reasonable prices. Talking about Cadogan Hall, I went there a few months ago to see an album launch by jazz trio Phronesis and the tickets were priced from £10-£25. The gig wasn't sold out, but very well attended. Just thinking about RT charging £45 for a gig in the same venue... |
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2017, 12:18:39 PM » |
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But the day job remains for those of us who only care about that aspect of his career.
Access to which seems to have doubled in price in the last year. Which is sort of where all this started (a few months back)..... But based mostly on a single London gig. Who knows how much of this is down to the artist, his management, the promoters or the venue.
Let's just hope he plays some provincial dates with tickets at reasonable prices.
Which I suspect is the likely long term way forward.
Talking about Cadogan Hall, I went there a few months ago to see an album launch by jazz trio Phronesis and the tickets were priced from £10-£25. The gig wasn't sold out, but very well attended. Just thinking about RT charging £45 for a gig in the same venue...
With respect to Phronesis, I suspect that RT is on a whole different level of familiarity and marketability. Not sure how big Cadogan Hall is but presumably it is down to supply and demand for a one off gig. |
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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2017, 02:22:39 PM » |
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RT's ticket prices in the USA are generally higher than they have been in the UK. Now he's seen that he can fill a sizeable venue at £40+ for a solo show, I wouldn't be surprised to see his prices rise here, hope I'm wrong.
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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2017, 04:05:00 PM » |
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With lower income, first thing we look at before considering any gig is the price, if that is reasonable then it has to pass "accessability", and that is a huge hurdle for my wife, so most of the time we don't even bother now. Biggest exception will be for The Transports in 4 weeks time at the Hawth - can't miss that! As far as R & L T - I'll live with a little tape hiss  |
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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2017, 11:53:41 AM » |
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While I agree prices quoted are high, I recall reading some time ago that RT hasn't made the millions that the Britneys and so on have, and in recent times the decline in musician's income in general has been a concern to him. I see this as RT looking to fund his pension pot and all power to him. He's given us decades of brilliant music. If I had $40k spare, I'd book him straight away This is worth a read http://davidbyrne.com/journal/how-will-the-wolf-survive-can-musicians-make-a-living-in-the-streaming-era |
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