50:50@50 Tour

[GubGub (Al)]

Blimey. All this cos one bloke had the temerity to criticise a gig!

Register on a board and post a long, negative and boarder line personal review, as your first post, on a board that is broadly positive about Fairport. That is going to get a reaction.
One possible reaction would have been to shout Troll, but we'll see.

  

I liked the review. Most interesting thing I've read on here for a while.
I think it probably summed up how I might have felt in the event I went to a Fairport gig.

Yes I think it is fair to say that there are plenty of us here on TAW who would not completely disagree with the review. I enjoyed the show I went to a little more than sirspens but have been open about what I perceived as its flaws.

I think the criticisms expressed by sirspens are valid, whether or not I agree with all of them and it is definitely not a trolling post. My only complaint about it would be the violence of some of the language used, or at least implied, which was not necessary to get the point across.

[jude]

The attacks on Chris Leslie were a bit nasty and unwarranted. Particularly as they were repeated frequently.

[Bingers (Chris)]

The attacks on Chris Leslie were a bit nasty and unwarranted. Particularly as they were repeated frequently.

I think the majority are in agreement with this. Personally I enjoyed the gig at the Union Chapel although it was a little like a game of 2 halves with the 2nd being better than the first

[davidmjs]

The attacks on Chris Leslie were a bit nasty and unwarranted. Particularly as they were repeated frequently.

I don't think I've seen any attacks on Chris, Jude.  There have been a few comments about his perceived MUSICAL strengths and otherwise, but I've seen nothing nasty at all.  This is a musical debate about a musical subject.  Isn't that why we exist?

[YaBB Master (Colin)]

The attacks on Chris Leslie were a bit nasty and unwarranted. Particularly as they were repeated frequently.

I don't think I've seen any attacks on Chris, Jude.  There have been a few comments about his perceived MUSICAL strengths and otherwise, but I've seen nothing nasty at all.  This is a musical debate about a musical subject.  Isn't that why we exist?

I'll say this one more time.

If you have a load of posts, then it will just be a review, critical or otherwise.
If your posts 1,2 & 3 are critical, then the Troll alarm goes off. A Troll being somebody how deliberately posts something controversial and then stands back an enjoys the fun. Not only debating what was said, but carrying on and on, exactly like this.

Please let's just get back on topic and then we'll see.

[GubGub (Al)]

The attacks on Chris Leslie were a bit nasty and unwarranted. Particularly as they were repeated frequently.

I have just read it again because I was under that impression too but actually they are not really nasty (except maybe once). Mostly it is a calling into question, rightly or wrongly, of Chris's musical role in the band. But it is repetitive and that along with the language used makes it a bit tiresome and actually undermines it as a review.

[sirspens (John)]

Hi Colin. I tried to inject a little humour.I guess it doesn't always come across in the typed word! I am no troll, though I can see why as a moderator you might think so, unless you read my intro and realised I am a TRULY passionate long time fan of FC.Otherwise I would not have been so disappointed at what this band has become. As I see it, fandom doesn't preclude criticism, and my little "review" seems to accord with a number of like minded contributors on here. Where I gave offence, to "Amethys/Jenny" then I replied with explanation and apology. If you view other posts by me, you will see I contributed positively. IF the site is to be restricted to only "largely positive" remarks re FC, then so be it, but it seems rather proscriptive about a band with so many twists and turns, ups and downs,0 in it's lineup and history. I hope this satisfies your description of me as a possible troll...............

[davidmjs]

That's a definition of a troll that suits a particular purpose, Colin.  A troll is somebody that doesn't care less about the subject matter but fires off controversial opinions just to get a response...because they enjoy it.  That is categorically not what is happening here which is a perfectly valid musical debate.

[davidmjs]

But it is repetitive and that along with the language used makes it a bit tiresome and actually undermines it as a review.

Shall we start marking each other's posts now?!

[GubGub (Al)]

But it is repetitive and that along with the language used makes it a bit tiresome and actually undermines it as a review.

Shall we start marking each other's posts now?!

Was that necessary? Really? I have been standing up for the guy. I was just pointing out what it is about the post that might be creating so much ire?

[YaBB Master (Colin)]

IF the site is to be restricted to only "largely positive" remarks re FC, then so be it,

Did anybody say that? I don't think so. (Yellow card)

This is all getting wildly out of control and if it's not Trolling, it's having that effect.

Stop it!

[Tasha]

I have to say I'm one who loves Fairport musically for what they were rather than what they are now. Having said that i always go to see them on tour because perhaps ?stupidly? I feel a part of the Fairport "family" and that means a great deal to me. I've made many friends via Fairport, people I would never have come to know if it wasn't for the band ... Some of my happiest moments have been on a field in August.... I want to support Fairport for what they have given to me. So I went to the winter tour 3 generations of us... (i wonder how many other bands have that generational following)It wasn't jaw droppingly exciting but entertaining never the less. I go and see other acts for my excitement these days
Thanks Fairport!

[Amethyst (Jenny)]

Sometimes I wish I had never opened my mouth, and if I had known that I would have caused all this commotion I wouldn't have.

My only reason for reacting initially was that I was at the same gig...

I will say no more on the subject now and see you all in a field!

[GubGub (Al)]

This has actually been one of the liveliest, most interesting and engaged discussions on TAW for a long time with the cut and thrust that used to exist here but has long since disappeared. It is entirely on topic as far as I can see and it would surely be a shame to stifle it.

[Albie]

This has actually been one of the liveliest, most interesting and engaged discussions on TAW for a long time with the cut and thrust that used to exist here but has long since disappeared. It is entirely on topic as far as I can see and it would surely be a shame to stifle it.

Agree with that.

[Jules Gray]

I have sympathies with many of the points of views expressed over disappointment with Fairport's latterday safe, cosy and comfortable stylings.  But I can't find it in my heart to single out Chris Leslie for criticism.  He's too lovely a man.  He also sings well.  And although his songwriting may not be to my tastes, at least he can be bothered to do some.  The five men in the band must be aware of this kind of criticism by now, unless they live in a bubble.  If they choose to ignore it, as is their right, then fans either go with the flow, or move on.

Jules

[hendo (Dave)]

I am commenting because, like Gub , I have found this discussion interesting.
Lets assume that Chris joining the band was a definite move to a more acoustic sound . A move away from folk rock.
You can also argue that Peggy and Simon had been drawing songs from singer songwriters rather than raiding folk vaults . A move away from folk.
So we have a band , now with it's own singer songwriter and the band use that as the core of their new material.
So the band morphs in to where we are today. Gentle singer songwriter songs.
Chris writes what he writes. I have seen him solo a couple of times and really enjoyed it. His songs , for me, benefit from a more simple , organic arrangement . I have his solo albums, lovely meditative stuff.
So for better or worse, the band is where it is.......

[ColinB]

Back on topic, was anybody at the Settle gig last night? I left it too late to get a ticket but then Thursday is not a good day for gig-going as I'm usually doing my radio show.

So sadly I won't be seeing them on this tour.  

[Henry Tompkins (Pete)]

IF the site is to be restricted to only "largely positive" remarks re FC, then so be it,

Did anybody say that? I don't think so. (Yellow card)

This is all getting wildly out of control and if it's not Trolling, it's having that effect.

Stop it!

Back on topic please Colin - NOW!  

[Henry Tompkins (Pete)]

This has actually been one of the liveliest, most interesting and engaged discussions on TAW for a long time with the cut and thrust that used to exist here but has long since disappeared. It is entirely on topic as far as I can see and it would surely be a shame to stifle it.

I've purposely kept clear of it by not commenting, but I agree with Gub, it's been the most enjoyable couple of days on TAW for many years!