General Cropredy Chatter

[Andy]

It would just be nice to have a folk rock band at what used to be a folk rock inspired festival....
Gets coat.......

Like Travelling Band? Or Oysterband? Will Varley? Al Stewart?

[PeterJ]

It would just be nice to have a folk rock band at what used to be a folk rock inspired festival....
Gets coat.......

Like Travelling Band? Or Oysterband? Will Varley? Al Stewart?

Or that lot that seem to be there every year...............what's their name........Fair something or other. I really don't get all this buzz about Merry Hell. I don't think they are anything special, but then I thought the same about the Pierce Brothers and look at the support they got. It's almost as if music were a matter of taste..................

[Albie]

I like Merry Hell, but I don't think they are any better than a lot of other bands who haven't played Cropredy either. Ten Strings And A Goatskin, Grannys Attic, The Chair, the mighty Mad Dog Mcrea, Outcast Band, Skippinish, Lankum, Ferocious Dog, to name a few. There were a couple of very good folk rock bands I saw at Beautiful Days last year, but I can't remember their names. One of them was an Aussie band. No shortage of quality out there.

I also like the Brasenose, but it isn't competing with the main festival. They have some good acts on, and I've seen a few there, but it's a pub, and FCC can hold 16,000 peeps, or something like that.

[hendo (Dave)]

It would just be nice to have a folk rock band at what used to be a folk rock inspired festival....
Gets coat.......

Like Travelling Band? Or Oysterband? Will Varley? Al Stewart?

Yup, waiting for that....... Hence gets coat.
Fairport's were a folk rock band, oysters still are , levellers were probably outside that .........
As an aside check out Phantom Voices and the John Palmer Acoustic Band.
If I could get both bands on the Cropredy stage, I would.

[Jim]

 I've never heard of Zal Cleminson - will check him out.

If you've heard, heard of, or remember the Sensational Alex Harvey Band you know something about him. He was their lead guitarist

[hendo (Dave)]

I like Merry Hell, but I don't think they are any better than a lot of other bands who haven't played Cropredy either. Ten Strings And A Goatskin, Grannys Attic, The Chair, the mighty Mad Dog Mcrea, Outcast Band, Skippinish, Lankum, Ferocious Dog, to name a few. There were a couple of very good folk rock bands I saw at Beautiful Days last year, but I can't remember their names. One of them was an Aussie band. No shortage of quality out there.

I also like the Brasenose, but it isn't competing with the main festival. They have some good acts on, and I've seen a few there, but it's a pub, and FCC can hold 16,000 peeps, or something like that.

Yep. I was just giving the opinion of a mate who has attended over 30 Cropredies and was just noting the changes from his point of view. The fringe is changing behaviours in the village and nay affect villagers view of the fest as a whole.
When Banbury supermarkets are offering free taxis to Cropredy if you buy a certain amount of booze........

[Andy]

The festival paid for a new church bell, TWO Cricket pavilions now, keeps the pubs open when they'd both have closed long ago in a normal village (although the Red Lion does close regularly, it has to be said) keeps many local craft centres and campsites in business and the Bridge store gets 6 months income in 1 week. Also, locals get free tickets. Many also make money by renting bedrooms out that week.

Yes, I should think that affects the villagers view of the festival.

[Field 7 is Heaven (Trev)]

Amazing how people who don't go to Cropredy keep coming on here to rubbish it.

Amazing how people who don't go to the Brasenose come on here to criticize the Acts playing there.

For me the most enjoyable Acts of Cropredy 2018 were Brian Wilson(for Al Jardine, if he can perform like that at his age there's hope for us all)Merry Hell (absolutely brilliant at the Brase)The Afro Celts , The Doonicans,Zal Cleminson and Kaprekar's Constant. Honorable mention for Eric Sedge who I really enjoyed.

 

[Andy]

Amazing how people who don't go to Cropredy keep coming on here to rubbish it.

Amazing how people who don't go to the Brasenose come on here to criticize the Acts playing there.

For me the most enjoyable Acts of Cropredy 2018 were Brian Wilson(for Al Jardine, if he can perform like that at his age there's hope for us all)Merry Hell (absolutely brilliant at the Brase)The Afro Celts , The Doonicans,Zal Cleminson and Kaprekar's Constant. Honorable mention for Eric Sedge who I really enjoyed.

 

Not amazing, just TalkAWhile.

[kevin]

The festival paid for a new church bell, TWO Cricket pavilions now, keeps the pubs open when they'd both have closed long ago in a normal village (although the Red Lion does close regularly, it has to be said) keeps many local craft centres and campsites in business and the Bridge store gets 6 months income in 1 week. Also, locals get free tickets. Many also make money by renting bedrooms out that week.

Yes, I should think that affects the villagers view of the festival.

The village tickets are given free, but...
We elect to control them and sell them to ourselves at a reduced rate.
The monies raised go into a pot for village concerns, the school been the largest benefactor.

Fairport convention has been brilliant for the village, and they and Yourselves are held in the highest esteem.

I was not amused to see Ball..ks to Brexit people handing out stickers, they should have been moved away.
I tore off the first word and stood in front of them with just that word stuck on Me.
no place for such when even children were moved on from selling home made candles etc.

Kevin

[quodlibet (Ian)]

I was not amused to see Ball..ks to Brexit people handing out stickers, they should have been moved away.

Pfft. It is still (just about) a free country.  

[kevin]

I was not amused to see Ball..ks to Brexit people handing out stickers, they should have been moved away.

Pfft. It is still (just about) a free country.  

There's a time and a place for all things.
A music festival is not where political **** needs to be aired, I for one go to such to have a break from the ball..ks of it all.
Who was paying them to be there.?
Who payed for the stickers?

No one else is allowed to trade or such in the village public areas, otherwise the place will be out of control.
If gareths security can't do this, then the police presence will need to be lifted higher again, and paid for via the ticket pricing.

When you live here , You notice things visitors may not, such as gypsies selling motor homes parked on grass verges, and heir vans parked in the village.


The last thing needed is problems and tensions created by such as those ball..ks stickers people , there are strong feelings involved that can be played out the rest of the year by those who maybe interested in such ball..ks.


Kevin

[Bridgwit (Bridget)]

I was not amused to see Ball..ks to Brexit people handing out stickers, they should have been moved away.

Pfft. It is still (just about) a free country.  

There's a time and a place for all things.
A music festival is not where political **** needs to be aired, I for one go to such to have a break from the ball..ks of it all.
Who was paying them to be there.?
Who payed for the stickers?

No one else is allowed to trade or such in the village public areas, otherwise the place will be out of control.
If gareths security can't do this, then the police presence will need to be lifted higher again, and paid for via the ticket pricing.

When you live here , You notice things visitors may not, such as gypsies selling motor homes parked on grass verges, and heir vans parked in the village.


The last thing needed is problems and tensions created by such as those ball..ks stickers people , there are strong feelings involved that can be played out the rest of the year by those who maybe interested in such ball..ks.
Kevin

It's been said in a another thread that Folk music IS political (and of course some of it is) and that you should expect this at a primarily folk festival, but I agree there's no place for it at Cropredy. I like to think that we leave all that on the M40 and that, at Cropredy, we're one people with the common aim of enjoying ourselves. If people have political conversations or even heated discussions that's entirely up to them, but I don't want to be part of it and I don't want to see it, or have it encouraged.

[StephenB]

What Brigwit said. Cropredy to me is a haven, a few  blissful days away from the real world.
And especially with  the Brexit ssue, it's by it's very nature divisive -a referendum has proven that. it's not like there's a useful discussion happening- some people are just stating that they find the views of half the people there a load of b...x.. So how can that be anything but divisive?

And don't get me started on using young children in the name of the cause - that's just sick IMO.

[hendo (Dave)]

Digance, Oysterband, Levellers, Kate, Fairport's, not political??
I know you are talking about people giving out badges but the folk clubs of the folk revival, which spawned Fairport's , were hot beds of communism, socialism, labour/ left wing politics.
You can't seperate folk music and politics.

[hendo (Dave)]

The festival paid for a new church bell, TWO Cricket pavilions now, keeps the pubs open when they'd both have closed long ago in a normal village (although the Red Lion does close regularly, it has to be said) keeps many local craft centres and campsites in business and the Bridge store gets 6 months income in 1 week. Also, locals get free tickets. Many also make money by renting bedrooms out that week.

Yes, I should think that affects the villagers view of the festival.

I was thinking about villager complaints about the noise around the Brase this year.

[StephenB]

I accept your thesis about folk music and politics of course, Hendo. But this is just one tribe of people stating loudly (via the fluorescent colour) "My tribe is right and if you're in the other tribe (maybe half the people at Cropredy) your opinion is b*****ks. That's not politics, it's polarisation and tribalism.

[PeterW]

I feel that people are going way over the top about these stickers.  I'm not sure if people were offended by the message or the language used. They were no different from some of the political slogans I saw on t-shirts and badges that some people were wearing.  We seem to be happy to listen to bands whose messages are often overtly political e.g. Home Service, Levellers, Oysterband, Merry Hell, Show of Hands and many others whose songs have political content (Unless, of course, during their spots you go and hide with your ears blocked) but we now want Cropredy to be an apolitical oasis.  The fact that people chose to wear the stickers does suggest that politics aren't far below the surface, although I agree that sticking them on children is inappropriate, but unless you are offended by the language it does fall into the category of freedom of expression.  It wasn't hate speech, it was a fairly banal statement.  How others who disagree react to that is up to them.  They could just be ignored.  Who will be the arbiter of what constitutes a political statement if worn by a member of the audience and will performers be asked to remove all political content? If the language used was the problem then bear in mind (see photo) that these badges were being made and openly sold on one of the fields and promoted via the Fairporters Facebook page.  We need to avoid double standards. Yes, I appreciate that the word itself was not used but the suggestive, and rather weak, wordplay was quite overt.  As far as I was aware these stickers were distributed freely not sold so no trading took place and, while we may disagree that they should have been allowed to be distributed at all, no law was broken and people took them willingly.  The fact that so many did does suggest that the non-political Cropredy group may be something of a minority or the wearers just enjoyed the novelty value.  I agree with the sentiments but chose not to wear one as I think that there are more eloquent arguments against.

[hendo (Dave)]

I accept your thesis about folk music and politics of course, Hendo. But this is just one tribe of people stating loudly (via the fluorescent colour) "My tribe is right and if you're in the other tribe (maybe half the people at Cropredy) your opinion is b*****ks. That's not politics, it's polarisation and tribalism.

Stephen , Talkawhile is not a place for a political chat but I do think that Polarisation and Tribalism sums up Politics , pretty well.!!!

[iandiddams]

yup.  If the UK in 2018's political backdrop and bedrock isn't " Polarisation and Tribalism" I don;t know what it is...  it certainly isn't well reasoned and debated.  

Pick a stance, defend it to the hilt in the face of evidence its wrong, and demonise any opposition views.  Sound familiar?

didds